Try to prove to me your religion.

[Taylor Seraphim]

Hmmm... Sounds more like atheism to me. I thought agnosticism was more of a passive "not knowing, so won't make assumptions" kind of thing. =/

No but that is how most people perceive it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So you are saying Karma = Good makes good happen to you but you cannot tell it.

And I can say that if you eat a taco an alien dies with the same amount of plausibility.

I believe if I do something good, something good will happen in return.

I do not expect anything good will return. If something bad happens, I do not associate that with the good actions I did.

I only associate good with good and bad with bad no matter what actions I make.

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Karma/kamma just means actions. Nothing more.

Um..

I dont know what you're asking. If you did a good deed, say listened to someone while they are having trouble (you produced good karma) and then they turn around and curse you out, why would you associate your good deed with their bad deed?

Your good deed doesn't cause bad deeds. That was the fault of the person cursing at you.

Likewise with death. If I tried to save someone from drowining/good deed and that person drowned, why would associate my good deed as a cause of something bad? That was the affect, yes; but I didn't do a bad deed... so they are not related in that way. It was just a cause/affect relationship. Has nothing to do with how karma works.

Unless someone else who practices Buddhism can clear this up, that is how I studied it and believe that good attracts good and bad attracts bad.

What I'm trying to say is karma is depended on one's actions not the results of ones actions. If I save a person's life and they die from my trying to save them, my action is what counts; that brings good karma. Not the death of the person I was trying to save.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ok, you can say otherwise all you want but I know for a fact that good people do not always get good lives.

And if good actions do not always mean good for you the principle of karma is useless.

You're not getting what I''m saying.

Our actions/karma is what matters not the results of it.

If I kill someone and that brings a good result, it's not the good result that matters but the actual action I did that brought that result good or bad.

That action/karma can either result in good or bad, who knows.

I believe that good actions causes good results. and that is not always the case. It is not based on the results, it's based on the actions.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I believe if I do something good, something good will happen in return.

I do not expect anything good will return. If something bad happens, I do not associate that with the good actions I did.

I only associate good with good and bad with bad no matter what actions I make.

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Karma/kamma just means actions. Nothing more.

Um..

I dont know what you're asking. If you did a good deed, say listened to someone while they are having trouble (you produced good karma) and then they turn around and curse you out, why would you associate your good deed with their bad deed?

Your good deed doesn't cause bad deeds. That was the fault of the person cursing at you.

Likewise with death. If I tried to save someone from drowining/good deed and that person drowned, why would associate my good deed as a cause of something bad? That was the affect, yes; but I didn't do a bad deed... so they are not related in that way. It was just a cause/affect relationship. Has nothing to do with how karma works.

Unless someone else who practices Buddhism can clear this up, that is how I studied it and believe that good attracts good and bad attracts bad.

What I'm trying to say is karma is depended on one's actions not the results of ones actions. If I save a person's life and they die from my trying to save them, my action is what counts; that brings good karma. Not the death of the person I was trying to save.

FOR THE LAST TIME.

I am sick of you quoting my posts when you wither have not read them or will/cannot understand them.

There are people in this world that do much more good things than bad and have more bad things than good happen to them and vice versa.

I have seen this first hand.

It is self obvious.

If you have not seen this you need to observe more of the world around you.

If you respond saying the exact same thing yet again then I will no longer answer you.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You are giving me one or two sentences. I am reading them in full. If you don't believe me, I can't debate that. It's on you.

Prove to me that Karma occurs?

Karma means actions. If you type on the keyboard, you create an action. That cause/action/karma creates an affect, letters on a screen.

It's not magical.

Good deeds do not always lead to good things happening to you.

Of course not.

That does not mean it is false. I just like to look at the bright side of things. I associate good with good and bad with bad.

Because good action =/= good results for you like karma claims.

Yes, that is what I believe and that is not always the case

Ok, you can say otherwise all you want but I know for a fact that good people do not always get good lives.

Do not always--is the key phrase. I believe good causes good and that is not always the case (see above)

And if good actions do not always mean good for you the principle of karma is useless.

Karma just means actions

The Law is based on cause and affect. It doesn't dictate if that cause or affect is good or bad. It just says an action/karma creates a result.

I am sick of you quoting my posts when you wither have not read them or will/cannot understand them

Fortunately, I do understand what you are saying and I am reading it through. What I am having trouble with is why are you not understanding a simple concept.

Cause creates an action

Actions create good or bad results

I believe good actions cause good results and bad causes bad results

That is not always the case

I accept that; and that is what I believe

There are people in this world that do much more good things than bad and have more bad things than good happen to them and vice versa.

Yes, and I am one of them.

Sometimes bad things happen when I make a good cause.
Sometimes good things happen when I make a bad cause.
I associate good with good and bad with bad.
Therefore, I dont say my good cause caused a bad result. To me, it doesn't work that way.


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I tried to make it as simple as I can. It's short. It's to the point. If you do not understand it just tell me. If you don't, I'll just have to assume you haven't read it.

 

[buddhist]

That certainly proves that the founder was certain that it was self evident, however I personally refer to Buddhism as a philosophy not a religion.

Simply put, the Buddha's Way taught conformity to the laws of Reality as found throughout the "natural and supernatural" realms, so I see it as both a philosophy and religion, and more.

 

[buddhist]

Buddhism promotes the idea of reincarnation which has no evidence...

Do you recognize the ongoing stream of rebirth? That is, like a river which is constantly changing, "you" are also in a constant state of flux and change, and that you are not the same as you were 7 years ago, much less 1 second ago?

 

[LuisDantas]

Please try to prove to me your religion is true.

Uh, why? Isn't that your personal call?

 

[Mycroft]

The reason that there is something, rather than nothing, is called God.
Tom

Lol. This isn't proof.

 

[Mycroft]

If God is real, then so is his word. His worshippers have always appealed to it for truth. God has the ability to preserve and protect his word from translation errors, so we should all be able to discern his will from reading it in any language.
Who invented language anyway? Who better than to see to it that the right people get the message? The wrong people reject it...this is what leads to disaster. Christian unity can only be achieved if all have the same beliefs. (1 Cor 1:10) That cannot happen if everyone can simply believe whatever they like. If God only speaks by holy spirit, then he is giving a lot of mixed messages to a lot of different people. This just creates confusion....He has never done this.

It's said that in the beginning there was the word. But which came first? The word? Or the thought behind the word? You can't have a word without a thought, and you can't have a thought without a word.

 

[savagewind]

Why does that require the bible?

It does not always require ancient wisdom but I think ancient wisdom makes my life much more interesting.

 

[LuisDantas]

Buddhism promotes the idea of reincarnation which has no evidence plus Buddhism is not considered to be a religion to me more than a philosophy.

Common mistakes, both of them. No less mistakes for that.

Buddhism is not even compatible with the idea of reincarnation, although there are many who claim that Rebirth would somehow be a form of reincarnation. I just don't see how that could make sense, personally.

As for it being considered a philosophy instead of a religion, I suppose it is a personal call. It feels more than a bit arbitrary to me, but what is a man to do?

 

[Thief]

Then why did you post here at all?

just a simple starting point.
no....because there will not be a photo, a fingerprint, an equation, or a repeatable experiment.
there will be no proving.

but according to Webster's....such things are matters of faith/believing....
and no proving is required.

I believe in God for cause and effect.
Creator/creation

science is all about cause and effect.....but...
it cannot cross over to matters of believing.

still....substance is not self starting and the singularity did go ....'bang!'
and dead stuff does not beget the living.....but here we are....

I simply place Spirit first.
Someone had to be First....in mind and heart
and I place Spirit as the cause

 

[Yokefellow]

I can do this with several sets of items

Prove it.

That's OK. We know you won't.

, also many of these have nothing to do with the functions of the cell parts.

Good luck with that.

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[Taylor Seraphim]

You are giving me one or two sentences. I am reading them in full. If you don't believe me, I can't debate that. It's on you.


Karma means actions. If you type on the keyboard, you create an action. That cause/action/karma creates an affect, letters on a screen.

It's not magical.



Of course not.

That does not mean it is false. I just like to look at the bright side of things. I associate good with good and bad with bad.



Yes, that is what I believe and that is not always the case



Do not always--is the key phrase. I believe good causes good and that is not always the case (see above)



Karma just means actions

The Law is based on cause and affect. It doesn't dictate if that cause or affect is good or bad. It just says an action/karma creates a result.



Fortunately, I do understand what you are saying and I am reading it through. What I am having trouble with is why are you not understanding a simple concept.

Cause creates an action

Actions create good or bad results

I believe good actions cause good results and bad causes bad results

That is not always the case

I accept that; and that is what I believe



Yes, and I am one of them.

Sometimes bad things happen when I make a good cause.
Sometimes good things happen when I make a bad cause.
I associate good with good and bad with bad.
Therefore, I dont say my good cause caused a bad result. To me, it doesn't work that way.


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I tried to make it as simple as I can. It's short. It's to the point. If you do not understand it just tell me. If you don't, I'll just have to assume you haven't read it.

If thatis true then a person doing mostly good things still would ne d up with a mostly good life.

And that is not the case.

PLEASE READ THE ABOVE STATEMENT BEFORE RESPONDING.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Prove it.

That's OK. We know you won't.





Good luck with that.

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What do you mean by good luck with that?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

just a simple starting point.
no....because there will not be a photo, a fingerprint, an equation, or a repeatable experiment.
there will be no proving.

but according to Webster's....such things are matters of faith/believing....
and no proving is required.

I believe in God for cause and effect.
Creator/creation

science is all about cause and effect.....but...
it cannot cross over to matters of believing.

still....substance is not self starting and the singularity did go ....'bang!'
and dead stuff does not beget the living.....but here we are....

I simply place Spirit first.
Someone had to be First....in mind and heart
and I place Spirit as the cause

First of all you are laboring over the delusion that the big bang brought energy into being which is untrue.

The Big Bang brought energy into its current state, energy is eternal it cannot be created or destroyed.

So why think that energy which by all observations is eternal was created by an eternal being which you have no evidence for?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Common mistakes, both of them. No less mistakes for that.

Buddhism is not even compatible with the idea of reincarnation, although there are many who claim that Rebirth would somehow be a form of reincarnation. I just don't see how that could make sense, personally.

As for it being considered a philosophy instead of a religion, I suppose it is a personal call. It feels more than a bit arbitrary to me, but what is a man to do?

Wel if you compare it to philosophies like Buddhism, Daoism, Neo-Platonism, and Confucianism. You can see that they attempt to use logic as a starting point and faith is not a virtue.

In religions they try to use supernatural things as a starting point and more often than not faith is a virtue.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

It does not always require ancient wisdom but I think ancient wisdom makes my life much more interesting.

So you believe in the bible because it is more interesting than reality?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Uh, why? Isn't that your personal call?

Well after researching several religions, I do not see why people believe in them so I want to be tried to be convinced.