Two police ambushed; some protesters yell "we hope they die"

[Tambourine]

I have. I read that story with the same horror you did.

The true horror is that they retroactively justified all of this because apparently the person they killed turned out to not be a saint possibly maybe pending court trial. If I was American that alone would be reason enough for me to be afraid of the police.

How do you stay sane in a country where the police can just randomly kill a person without repercussions, and be justified in the eyes of a substantial portion of the public?

 

[McBell]

The true horror is that they retroactively justified all of this because apparently the person they killed turned out to not be a saint possibly maybe pending court trial. If I was American that alone would be reason enough for me to be afraid of the police.

How do you stay sane in a country where the police can just randomly kill a person without repercussions, and be justified in the eyes of a substantial portion of the public?

My sanity is not based on nor dependent upon the thoughts, actions, ideals, etc. of people I have not ever, and most likely will never, meet.

Are you saying that your sanity is?

 

[Tambourine]

My sanity is not based on nor dependent upon the thoughts, actions, ideals, etc. of people I have not ever, and most likely will never, meet.

Are you saying that your sanity is?

So it does not bother you that you could be murdered with impunity?

 

[McBell]

So it does not bother you that you could be murdered with impunity?

I could be?
Well, I suppose it is possible.
Regardless of how unlikely.
I am not worried about such an unlikely thing to happen.

If I was to be bothered by every little possibility, regardless of how unlikely, I would get nothing else done.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that there are those who do live in an area where it is more likely.
But I do not.

 

[Tambourine]

I could be?
Well, I suppose it is possible.
Regardless of how unlikely.
I am not worried about such an unlikely thing to happen.

If I was to be bothered by every little possibility, regardless of how unlikely, I would get nothing else done.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that there are those who do live in an area where it is more likely.
But I do not.

Why do you feel you're safe from being randomly murdered by a police officer?

 

[columbus]

Why do you feel you're safe from being randomly murdered by a police officer?

Do you go outside on rainy days?

Why do you feel you're safe from being struck by lightening, or hit by a car, or catching a flu? You aren't you know. Any of those could happen.

Why do you feel safe getting out of bed? Nothing is safe.
Tom

 

[McBell]

Why do you feel you're safe from being randomly murdered by a police officer?

Um...
I am not a criminal?


What is it you are fishing for?

 

[tytlyf]

Um...
I am not a criminal?

Neither were the people randomly murdered by police.

 

[Tambourine]

Um...
I am not a criminal?

Several victims of police murder had no outstanding warrants or criminal records, and were not treated as suspects in a criminal case until after their murder.

What is it you are fishing for?

I am not "fishing for" anything. I asked for your reasons why you believe you are safe from murdering cops because I was interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter.

Unfortunately for you, since not everyone who was murdered by cops was a criminal, your reason for feeling safe seems to be largely based on a counterfactual premise.

 

[columbus]

Unfortunately for you, since not everyone who was murdered by cops was a criminal, your reason for feeling safe is based on a counterfactual premise.

Nope.
People who aren't criminals are more likely to die from lightening strike than police misconduct.
Tom

 

[Tambourine]

Nope.
People who aren't criminals are more likely to die from lightening strike than police misconduct.
Tom

Where are you getting this from? Some kind of evidence, or your "common sense" assumptions?

 

[McBell]

Several victims of police murder had no outstanding warrants or criminal records, and were not treated as suspects in a criminal case until after their murder.



I am not "fishing for" anything. I asked for your reasons why you believe you are safe from murdering cops because I was interested in hearing your thoughts on the matter.

Unfortunately for you, since not everyone who was murdered by cops was a criminal, your reason for feeling safe seems to be largely based on a counterfactual premise.

You asked ME why I am not afraid of being randomly murdered by the police.
I gave you an honest answer.
If my answer does not fit your agenda, then that is on you.

 

[Tambourine]

You asked ME why I am not afraid of being randomly murdered by the police.
I gave you an honest answer.
If my answer does not fit your agenda, then that is on you.

Did I inadvertedly offend you, or is there another reason why you react with this level of hostility towards an honest question?

I simply told you that you are basing your opinion on a falsehood, in the hope of having you learn something new.
What you make of that in your everyday life is frankly your problem, not mine.

 

[McBell]

Did I inadvertedly offend you, or is there another reason why you react with this level of hostility towards an honest question?

ROTFLMAO
Your sad attempt at diversion is most comical.

I simply told you that you are basing your opinion on a falsehood.

This is a bold faced steaming pile of bull ****.
It is NOT a falsehood:

I do not fear being randomly murdered by the police because I am not a criminal​

So once again you get all bent out of shape because I am not buying your snake oil.

What you make of that is frankly your own problem, not mine.

What I make of it is that you royally suck at selling your snake oil.

Perhaps someone else will buy into your agenda.

 

[Tambourine]

It is NOT a falsehood:

I do not fear being randomly murdered by the police because I am not a criminal​

It's flat out wrong to assume that only criminals get killed by the police, because we know for a fact that people who aren't convicted criminals get killed by American police officers all the time.

I'm sorry if this is upsetting to you, but I don't see why I should coddle you by making up feel-good stories about cops always only killing "bad guys" and keeping "good guys" safe and sound, because that simply isn't congruent with the facts at hand.

 

[McBell]

It's flat out wrong to assume that only criminals get killed by the police, because we know for a fact that people who aren't convicted criminals get killed by American police officers all the time.

Nice try.
But the fact of the matter is that I never made any such claim that only criminals are randomly murdered by the police.
Nor do I make any such assumption.

That you dislike my answer is on you, not me.
Stop trying to dictate to me my position.
It only makes you look desperate.

I'm sorry if this is upsetting to you, but I don't see why I should coddle you by making up feel-good stories about cops always only killing "bad guys" and keeping "good guys" safe and sound, because that simply isn't congruent with the facts at hand.

No idea why you would think I am the one here who needs coddling.
I am not the least bit worried about being randomly murdered by the police.
Why?
Because I am not a criminal.

You are free to worry about whatever you want for whatever reasons you like.
No need to worry about me.
I do not need, nor do I ask for your coddling.

Now if you need coddling, you will need to go find someone who is interested in your snake oil, as I am not.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

This is disgusting beyond words.

Quite frankly, my conclusion is that I'm disgusted by both sides of the contemporary national 'debate.' I don't like trump, and I don't like the far left. I could not be less incensed by the debate that's going on out in the streets. I don't like the authorities for having maimed people with rubber bullets, and I don't like the far left's 'cancel culture' narrative. The rioting has been disgusting, and the reaction to it as well, by those trying to to stop it with force. Both sides have the potential to be dogmatic cults.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Quite frankly, my conclusion is that I'm disgusted by both sides of the contemporary national 'debate.' I don't like trump, and I don't like the far left.

And I'm disgusted by your childish and irresponsible characterization of "both sides of the contemporary national 'debate.' "

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

We have no Idea why these particular officers were targeted or what led up to it.

What we do know, is that there are numerous reports of where Police officers have attacked and killed civilians in unprovoked situations, when they were in no danger themselves.

This has led to varying degrees of fear, distrust and hatred of the entire police establishment.
It is certainly not surprising that there are acts of revenge in reply.
Unfortunately there will inevitably be some collateral incidents against innocents on both sides.
This attack may or may not be numbered among them.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Nice try.
But the fact of the matter is that I never made any such claim that only criminals are randomly murdered by the police.
Nor do I make any such assumption.

That you dislike my answer is on you, not me.
Stop trying to dictate to me my position.
It only makes you look desperate.

You say that, but your very next paragraph says this (emphasis mine):

No idea why you would think I am the one here who needs coddling.
I am not the least bit worried about being randomly murdered by the police.
Why?
Because I am not a criminal.

If you accept that police DO kill innocent people, this statement makes no sense. Whether or not you are a criminal does not mean you cannot be subject to police violence (both legal and excessive).

It would make MORE sense for you to argue "I do not fear police violence because I am statistically unlikely to be victim to it", but you probably know full well that such a statement displays a callous disregard for the people who ARE subject to it, and arguably total disdain for innocent people who are - through no cause of their own - MORE likely to be subject to it than you are, such as black people, poor people, and people suffering from mental illness.

You are free to worry about whatever you want for whatever reasons you like.
No need to worry about me.
I do not need, nor do I ask for your coddling.

Now if you need coddling, you will need to go find someone who is interested in your snake oil, as I am not.

To be reasonably worried about murder being carried out with impunity by the very people who are assigned with the task of protecting you (and are specifically outfitted with weapons and training for that very purpose) is a perfectly reasonable and logical response. It is not "coddling" to suggest that if this can happen (which it does, more regularly than most people realize) that there is very little to stop it happening to you.