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Tyrannicide

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
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What is your opinion of 'tyrannicide'?

Does your political ideology and/or religion recognize or oppose this practice?

Obviously, most developed countries today have annulled the death penalty and that is an undoubted social, and moral good, in my estimation.

The willful taking of a human life, except in the most serious cases of self-defense whereby recourse to all other means are inapplicable (or have been exhausted), is a grave evil.

But what of the case when the common good of society is threatened by the usurpation or arbitrary oppression of a tyrannical ruler, and the only way to safeguard the liberties of the subjects is to 'take down' the dictator?

This can be a morally grey area, since would-be political murderers aiming to undermine legitimate, constitutional rule, could readily exploit the 'tyrant' concept to justify coups or armed juntas in the 'name of the people'. Most infamously and tragically, perhaps, is the case of John Wilkes Booth who, having assassinated President Abraham Lincoln, declared "that's the way with tyrants" or, more literally, "ever thus to tyrants".

Now, Lincoln had - of course - not been a 'tyrant' in the eyes of the majority of civilized people outside the Southern Confederate States, who recognized the Union as the lawfully constituted and sovereign government of America and the secessionists as pro-slavery rebels (well, at least in retrospect that is).

On the night of Bobby Kennedy's assassination in 1968 a close friend phoned the political theortist Bernard Crick, her voice quivering with emotion: "Bernard, the killing of the two Kennedy brothers is so terrible, so wrong; but we must not let go of the doctrine of tyrannicide. We must draw distinctions."

Do you think that such 'distinctions' either can or should be drawn? What, if anything, separates tyrannicide from cold-blooded assassination or acts of terrorism?
 
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Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
My first question, who gets to define tyranny, and second, who decides when someone qualifies? I can think of very few historical examples of alleged tyranocide with either a clear definition or a fair method of determination.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
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Do you think that such 'distinctions' either can or should be drawn? What, if anything, separates tyrannicide from cold-blooded assassination or acts of terrorism?

I don't know if there's any hard-and-fast rule. It's a judgment call that has to be made by people of good conscience. One can ask the same questions about revolution. Since I live in a country which was founded on revolution, it's problematic for anyone to say that revolution is always wrong.

I would say it comes down to what is just and what is best for the collective whole of the people (which itself is difficult to define). That's also a judgment call, nothing that can be proven wrong or right in the scientific or legal sense. It's not about lawyers with their noses in rule books counting up a list of infractions. Time and history are the best judges of what is wrong and what is right.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I staunchly believe the best tyrant is a dead tyrant. I just as firmly believe sometimes murdering a tyrant is the lesser of evils, or even a positive good. Then again, Booth was convinced Lincoln was a tyrant.
 

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
What is your opinion of 'tyrannicide'?

My opinion is if you're going to make up a new word based on a commonly used suffix, then it should conform to the language of that suffix. Because otherwise you just cause linguistic confusion:

Like from what you write here, this new word is clearly using the English definition of tyrant:

But what of the case when the common good of society is threatened by the usurpation or arbitrary oppression of a tyrannical ruler, and the only way to safeguard the liberties of the subjects is to 'take down' the dictator?

But the fact that you are using the Latin-based -cide would lead me to think when first viewing the word that I should be using the Latin definition of tyrannus (which simply means a ruler who has come to power illegitimately) rather than the English tyrant (which, while derived from tyrannus has a different meaning and implication).

So it just becomes a confusing term.

Either stick to English, or stick to Latin. Don't just mash the Latin suffix onto the English word and call it a day.

But now if we're talking about the morality of the concept itself rather than me just nitpicking at the word itself... :p

But what of the case when the common good of society is threatened by the usurpation or arbitrary oppression of a tyrannical ruler, and the only way to safeguard the liberties of the subjects is to 'take down' the dictator?

Well it seriously depends on a number of things. There are some terrible, oppressive dictators out there whose removal would cause more suffering and oppression than their continued existence. For example, since the knife-sodomozation and murder of horrible dictator Muammar Qaddafi, life for the average citizen in Libya has become almost unimaginably worse as rule of the country is now contested by warring factions and terrorist cells, and slave markets now exist out in the open in many areas.

It seems like many people think about dictators like they think about Sauron in the Lord of the Rings (the movies, not the books), where if we just kill the evil villain than everything will be fixed forever. As if it was just that simple as killing one guy to solve the entirety of a nation's problems.

Whereas the real world acts less like the LotR movies and more like the books, where even after the Big Bad Guy is defeated, his underlings can still wreak havoc and make power grabs of their own.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
My opinion is if you're going to make up a new word based on a commonly used suffix, then it should conform to the language of that suffix. Because otherwise you just cause linguistic confusion:

Like from what you write here, this new word is clearly using the English definition of tyrant:

It's not a new or made-up word: Definition of TYRANNICIDE

Origin and Etymology of tyrannicide

in sense 1, from French, from Latin tyrannicidium, from tyrannus + -i- + -cidium-cide (killing); in sense 2, from French, from Latin tyrannicida, from tyrannus + -i- + -cida-cide (killer)

First Known Use: 1650
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
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But what of the case when the common good of society is threatened by the usurpation or arbitrary oppression of a tyrannical ruler, and the only way to safeguard the liberties of the subjects is to 'take down' the dictator?
I'm not even certain it is a grey area. Sic semper tyrannis.

Do you think that such 'distinctions' either can or should be drawn?
Absolutely. Those who wield power evilly must be deposed. If they won't peacefully remove themselves it is the duty of the upright man to do it.

My first question, who gets to define tyranny, and second, who decides when someone qualifies?
I suggest that it is one of the essences of freedom that every man decide for himself where tyranny exists in such an extent to move him to action.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
So...according to the OP ...a hero like JFK...who is loved all over the world, has to be considered a tyrant?
Do you think that such 'distinctions' either can or should be drawn? What, if anything, separates tyrannicide from cold-blooded assassination or acts of terrorism?

Well...as a Christian, I don't approve of murder.
 
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