U.S. Atheists Know More About Religion Than U.S. Christians

[Jollybear]

I'm not an atheist. As my avatar says, I'm an agnostic. So, do I doubt that I have doubts? Not at all.

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Sorry, i did not see the evator. My mistake.

 

[Jollybear]

ha. when I was an atheist, I constantly talked about religion. ironic

You use to be an atheist? What caused the change?

 

[Jollybear]

Returning a question is a child's tactic that avoids answering the original. So how about answering the original question?

"what good is there in religion that can't be achieved without religion?"​

Depends on what your trying to achieve.

 

[Jollybear]

I find most atheists and agnostics are not only more literate on the Bible, but they tend to be much more open and willing to discuss the Bible rationally. Coupled with either not believing in or with having doubts about the events described in the Bible--they are not prone to being overly defensive about questions. It makes for meaningful and educational discussions that don't turn into fights.

My experience with discussing my views with atheists is there not rational.

They always like to hijack rationality for themselves and say the religious are not rational.

 

[Jollybear]

Many atheists were Christians. They did not make the switch based on ignorance, or a stubborn refusal to face the problems of a belief system. They did not become atheists until it was obvious that the Bible was wrong, again and again.

Oh, they did make the switch based on ignorence. They could have learned from the adam and eve story. They trusted the lie by switching.

Nomater what your view is, theres always gonna be some element of trust in it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh, they did make the switch based on ignorence. They could have learned from the adam and eve story. They trusted the lie by switching.

Nomater what your view is, theres always gonna be some element of trust in it.

No, they based it upon study and an honest approach. Very few Christians can approach their faith honestly when it is challenged. You should know that.

By the way, you do realize that the Adam and Eve story was a myth? It is a morality tale at best

 

[Jollybear]

No, they based it upon study and an honest approach. Very few Christians can approach their faith honestly when it is challenged. You should know that.

By the way, you do realize that the Adam and Eve story was a myth? It is a morality tale at best

Oh yes, i know some christians dont think critically. But that dont mean all them dont.

But, those atheists that made the switch. Yea, they may have done study and all, but they wernt thinking critically ENOUGH.

I was using adam as a illustration.

However, i do believe it happened. But, thats for another time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh yes, i know some christians dont think critically. But that dont mean all them dont.

But, those atheists that made the switch. Yea, they may have done study and all, but they wernt thinking critically ENOUGH.

I was using adam as a illustration.

However, i do believe it happened. But, thats for another time.

That is true, not all Christians lack the ability to think critically. They remain Christians even though they are aware of the flaws in the Bible. And not all atheists became atheists by rational means. The classic example is that of atheists that are "mad at God" though I have never met such an atheist. And those that made the switch usually did think critically enough. Far more than enough. That is the reason that such groups as the Clergy Project exist. That is a group of some of Christians that are educated far more than most and they switched because of that.

 

[Jollybear]

That is true, not all Christians lack the ability to think critically. They remain Christians even though they are aware of the flaws in the Bible. And not all atheists became atheists by rational means. The classic example is that of atheists that are "mad at God" though I have never met such an atheist. And those that made the switch usually did think critically enough. Far more than enough. That is the reason that such groups as the Clergy Project exist. That is a group of some of Christians that are educated far more than most and they switched because of that.

Im critical and im also honest. I dont see the biblical authors as dishonest writers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Im critical and im also honest. I dont see the biblical authors as dishonest writers.

You have not approached the failures of the Bible critically.

 

[Jollybear]

You have not approached the failures of the Bible critically.

I disagree.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I disagree.

Of course you would. You could not even find a valid source that supported you. You relied on CARM of all sources. That is almost as bad as relying on AiG for science problems.

 

[Jollybear]

Of course you would. You could not even find a valid source that supported you. You relied on CARM of all sources. That is almost as bad as relying on AiG for science problems.

I gave you other sources to.

And you did not point out where carm was dishonest in there article. You just dismiss it. Yet you want to claim rationality for yourself and deny it for me?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why do atheists know more about religion then the actual religious? It makes more sense that the practitioner of a said religion would know more about it then an atheist. You learn more by hands on experience anyhow.

Christians rarely have to defend their views. Non-Christians have to do it on a regular basis. And when you are being pestered by someone who is proselytizing and won't take no for an answer, asserting yourself as more knowledgeable of their own scripture than they are is one of the quickest, easiest, and most assured ways to silence them and get them to move on. Not everyone, of course, but most people don't like dealing with such embarrassment and digging themselves into a deep hole they can't get out of. Once they realize they are trapped in a web that gets tighter and stickier the more they fight it, typically they'll go on - do it well enough and they may not even come back to your house.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I gave you other sources to.

And you did not point out where carm was dishonest in there article. You just dismiss it. Yet you want to claim rationality for yourself and deny it for me?

I explained this to you more than once. One does not need to show that any one particular article is false when the site fails at being honest so many times. They lose all credibility by how they dealt with other problems. This applies to science journals too. If they are shown to publish false articles it can discredit all of their work.

 

[Jollybear]

I explained this to you more than once. One does not need to show that any one particular article is false when the site fails at being honest so many times. They lose all credibility by how they dealt with other problems. This applies to science journals too. If they are shown to publish false articles it can discredit all of their work.

I disagree. You got to show the dishonesty, not assert it.

Otherwise, your not rational.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I disagree. You got to show the dishonesty, not assert it.

Otherwise, your not rational.

I only need to show the blatant dishonesty in other articles. You do not seem to realize what it takes to be a reliable source.

 

[Anthem]

That should seem to mean, @Anthem, that there is therefore no need of religion, except perhaps habit.

There is no need for life on this planet.

 

[Anthem]

Intellectual and spiritual honesty, for one.

What are those things? How do you define them and how and are they good? How do you define good?

 

[Faithofchristian]

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Anyone surprised?

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Yeah sure they do, Atheist could only wish.

Alot of Christians haven't a clue or idea about the bible. Most of what they do know is only told to them by their Pastor's.
So it wouldn't be hard for an Atheist to confuse alot of Christians.