U.S. Atheists Know More About Religion Than U.S. Christians

[Anthem]

"Matter" in what context?

Whether it comes from god or is made up by people.

 

[Anthem]

BTW: if people really are calling you unkind, racist, abusive, etc., on a regular basis, maybe there are things in your own life that could use some introspection.

What is it that you say that generates these kind of responses?

As was obvious from the comment it was not reffering to poster himself but was a generalisation.

 

[Holdasown]

As was obvious from the comment it was not reffering to poster himself but was a generalisation.

He will use the: I don't do that, some atheists do. Yet the argument is all religions people are.... He will not get it. Trust me.

 

[Woberts]

It's persecution, so get it right, and we don't complain about it, we relish in it.

The talking point nowadays isn't "persecution", it's "prosecution".
Anything to stir the pot, it seems.

 

[icehorse]

What decisions am I making on faith other than I believe in deities? Please enlighten me.

Once again, i am making statistical claims, I'm not criticizing you. If you want to represent religious people, then you can't have it both ways.

*Many* religious people use their scripture as a moral compass. The morality in much of the world's most popular scripture was perhaps "the best thinking" 2000 years ago, but it's now primitive, barbaric and outdated. So these folks are "taking on faith" the idea that their scripture represents the pinnacle of moral teachings, when in fact there is much evidence to the contrary.

 

[Holdasown]

Once again, i am making statistical claims, I'm not criticizing you. If you want to represent religious people, then you can't have it both ways.

*Many* religious people use their scripture as a moral compass. The morality in much of the world's most popular scripture was perhaps "the best thinking" 2000 years ago, but it's now primitive, barbaric and outdated. So these folks are "taking on faith" the idea that their scripture represents the pinnacle of moral teachings, when in fact their is much evidence to the contrary.

You seem to think you can insult religious people then get indignant when they call you on it. There have been some pretty bad atheist dictators so let's hold you to that standard. Fact is you seem to have a bigoted view of theist. Then wonder why theists would have one of you. And so you know monotheism is one part of religions. Quit using that standard on all theists.

 

[Skwim]

Yeah sure they do, Atheist could only wish.

Alot of Christians haven't a clue or idea about the bible. Most of what they do know is only told to them by their Pastor's.
So it wouldn't be hard for an Atheist to confuse alot of Christians.

And unintentionally so.

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[Skwim]

Religion is about interaction and worship of god/gods. What good are you referring to?

If you go back and note you'll see it wasn't my question, but that of 9-10ths_Penguin in post #125. However, it should be obvious that he's asking about any good. So, again.

"what good is there in religion that can't be achieved without religion?"
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If you fail to answer I'll assume you can't find any.

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[David T]

Except that it doesn't.

I have never been told to believe anything in Church.

All atheists go to church? You lost me?

Well if i actually have to explain that....

Personally i have never ever met an atheist that their view wasnt framed by religion. Like "hello i am an atheist" with no idea or awareness religion exists. Atheism is putely related ti religuon. Atheism does not exist witbout religion, But religion can exist without atheism. Its not a neccesity but a reaction. To difficult?

 

[Holdasown]

If you go back and note you'll see it wasn't my question, but that of 9-10ths_Penguin in post #125. However, it should be obvious that he's asking about any good. So, again.

"what good is there in religion that can't be achieved without religion?"
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If you fail to answer I'll assume you can't find any.

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Religion is nothing more than the worshiping of god/gods. What good do you want us to be involved in per our religions.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Many? As in most or half?

I haven't done a controlled study on the subject, but the simple fact that so many theist appear to know less about their own religions than atheists do suggests that it is well over half.

 

[icehorse]

You seem to think you can insult religious people then get indignant when they call you on it.

I'm not indignant. I value critical thinking and criticize people who use "faith" in public discourse.

There have been some pretty bad atheist dictators so let's hold you to that standard.

I'm more a secularist than an atheist, and since you make a common argument I assume you're talking about the various horrible communist leaders in the 20th century? If so, several points:

- these dictators were pursuing totalitarian societies
- most atheists are also secularists, not totalitarians
- these dictators pursued making themselves new deities - not an atheist stance

I'd be very interested in hearing examples of failures of secularism, that seems more to the point. (That said, as I've said many times on this forum - I'm extremely concerned by the rise of the oligarchs on the world stage - I don't imagine secularism and capitalism are without fault, I'm just open to admitting it.)

Fact is you seem to have a bigoted view of theist.

I am more than happy to admit that I'm critical of theists who pursue pressing their faith into the public sphere. I'm a secularist

And so you know monotheism is one part of religions. Quit using that standard on all theists.

Most of the world's major religions enshrine some morally reprehensible practices, not just the monotheistic ones.

 

[icehorse]

Religion is nothing more than the worshiping of god/gods. What good do you want us to be involved in per our religions.

If that was the case, I wouldn't care. But in practice, religious people insist on bringing their faith into the public sphere.

 

[Skwim]

Religion is nothing more than the worshiping of god/gods. What good do you want us to be involved in per our religions.

Yeah, I didn't think you could come up with anything, but no one else seems to have either so you're not alone. So it appears that. . .

there is no good in religion that can't be achieved without it.
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[Holdasown]

I'm not indignant. I value critical thinking and criticize people who use "faith" in public discourse.



I'm more a secularist than an atheist, and since you make a common argument I assume you're talking about the various horrible communist leaders in the 20th century? If so, several points:

- these dictators were pursuing totalitarian societies
- most atheists are also secularists, not totalitarians
- these dictators pursued making themselves new deities - not an atheist stance

I'd be very interested in hearing examples of failures of secularism, that seems more to the point. (That said, as I've said many times on this forum - I'm extremely concerned by the rise of the oligarchs on the world stage - I don't imagine secularism and capitalism are without fault, I'm just open to admitting it.)



I am more than happy to admit that I'm critical of theists who pursue pressing their faith into the public sphere. I'm a secularist



Most of the world's major religions enshrine some morally reprehensible practices, not just the monotheistic ones.

Why am I all of a sudden not a secularist? You are to closed minded to engage with. Have a nice one.

 

[Holdasown]

If that was the case, I wouldn't care. But in practice, religious people insist on bringing their faith into the public sphere.

What part of my religion are you forced to engage in? Right. Nice try.

 

[Holdasown]

Yeah, I didn't think you could come up with anything, but no one else seems to have either so you're not alone.

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Again name one thing you want me to do in the name of my religion and I can address it.

 

[Skwim]

Again name one thing you want me to do in the name of my religion and I can address it.

Sorry, but I'm not about to hold your hand through these conversations. If you can't understand a simple question so be it.

Have a nice day.

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[icehorse]

What part of my religion are you forced to engage in? Right. Nice try.

I'm making statistical claims about religion in general. You can choose to defend religion in general or not. But I'm not attacking whatever your religion is specifically. Of course there are always exceptions, nothing is black and white.

In other words I'm saying "religion in general has these issues". If you're response is "my rare religion does not have those problems", well that's good news, but it's off topic.

 

[Holdasown]

Sorry, but I'm not about to hold your hand through these conversations. If you can't understand a simple question so be it.

Have a nice day.

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Yeah. Thought so. Don't worry. I can block you.