Jeremiahcp
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U.S. Image Suffers as Publics Around World Question Trump’s Leadership
It seems the world dislikes Trump even more than Americans do.
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"U.S. Image Suffers as Publics Around World Question Trump’s Leadership"
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U.S. Image Suffers as Publics Around World Question Trump’s Leadership
It seems the world dislikes Trump even more than Americans do.
Wasn't the Coddled In Chief Trump having a little *****-baby tantrum a while ago about how people were "laughing" at the United States?
Hey, guess what? Whining and complaining about persecution and ridicule that doesn't exist..leads to ridicule.
****ing moron.
Hey, guess what? Whining and complaining about persecution and ridicule that doesn't exist..leads to ridicule.
****ing moron.
I mean no offence when I say this because Americans are awesome peeps, but the rest of the world has not viewed American politics as sane or rational since before I was born. Course when Trump was announced as Prez everyone facepalmed but America hasn't had the greatest rep worldwide for years.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I would certainly hope so. I would hope people around the world are astute enough to recognize a buffoon when presented with one.
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Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
The statistics I just posted seem to suggest otherwise with a 64% favorable view of the US and only a 26% unfavorable view at the end of the Obama presidency.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Unfortunately you can't expect the backwater bumpkins who've elected him to take a step back and take an objective, analytical look at the big picture.
Well yeah we liked Obama. Doesn't mean we liked America, if you get me.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
No, I don't get you, as that was favorable view of the U.S., but perhaps you have alternative data, something other than just your opinion. Did you perhaps conduct your own global survey? Or is this just something you think is the case, based on nothing but your own personal views?
BSM1
What? Me worry?
U.S. Image Suffers as Publics Around World Question Trump’s Leadership
It seems the world dislikes Trump even more than Americans do.
So what? Who cares? Big deal? Does it really matter what the world thinks of our President? Don't like him? Tough.
As though the bumpkins who voted for her were any more analytical?
I remember the campaigns clearly, along with lunacy on both sides.
And objectivity has really fled the Democrats, who have yet to recover
from the party's death spiral.
But we're not in the popular clique anymore!
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
If our allies don't have confidence or trust in our leader then that is a problem.
I wouldn't even expect the big city sophisticates or Ivy League graduates to take a step back and take an objective, analytical look at the big picture. If they did, they wouldn't be in such a panic over Trump nor attributing America's purported "tarnished image" to Trump.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Trust and reputation are pretty damned important when it comes to negotiations, trade deals, diplomacy, forming alliances, etc. A leader cannot be effective unless they are respected and taken seriously. If you're seen as a joke, then you become irrelevant. Some clown won enough people's hearts and minds by vowing to protect god, guns, and fetuses and fight queers, women, and science, so now yokels have taken our once respected and admired superpower that was built upon the ideals of rights, liberty, equality, and justice and turned it into the laughingstock circus that it is now. What happened to valuing character, honor, honesty, and integrity? Are these not values that we should expect from a worthy leader? Unfortunately, people turn a blind eye to corruption, misconduct, and incompetence due to unquestioning, uncritical partisan loyalty.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Which allies would that be? The same ones that refuse to pony up their share of the NATO purse? The ones we have to rescue about every twenty years or so? The ones who expect us to bow and scrape when they appear? When has this ever been a real concerned?
Sooo.... you think all the countries that depend on the US dollar, US technology, and/or US military protection/aid would agree with you?
esmith
Veteran Member
What you fail to comprehend is who will they come to if they get it trouble.
"Their share"? I'm tired of this nonsense peddled by people without the first clue of what NATO is, how it was formed, and what its purpose is. There is NO rule in the NATO charter or in any NATO documentation stating that the members have to pay anything. NATO was an American invention, we were the one pushing for it, so we could have bases of operation for our armed forces in Europe. They were meant initially just to be infrastructure for the United States Armed Forces. Places to refuel, rearm, rest and redeploy our men and material. That's it.
The 2% number bandied around? That pompous dumbasses have claimed the other member-states should be paying? That wasn't a rule. It was a suggestion. Why didn't we make it a rule? We could've. We have the over-whelming majority of the power in NATO after all. But why didn't we? Because the people actually running the United States Military know that NATO does more for us than it does any other member-state. NATO provides the logistical backbone of American military might. Our Airforce in particular depends on NATO bases.
Spare me this jingoistic garbage. European forces(largely Anglo-French) played the vital role in the ground operations during the Yugoslav Wars, and that is both before and after the United Nations organized the likes of SFOR, KFOR, IFOR ad etc.
Europe is not to blame for whatever "problems" exist regarding NATO, made-up and otherwise, because we're the ones who built it, pushed for it, wrote the charter, so on and so forth. This was our baby. We cajoled numerous states to join.
You want to start fixing NATO? Then make it more than just a glorified extension of the United States Military. Because that's what it was when it was first created, and that's what it is to this day. These problems are of our own design. Trump is the first President to raise a serious fuss* about how NATO is run. Coincidentally he is also the single least-qualified individual to have ever won the office.
I wonder if those two things are somehow related.
*Obama and Bush jr both brought up they'd like to see some European members expand their responsibilities within NATO, but they never phrased it in the childish insulting manner Trump has, probably because Trump is just a tactless moron.
No I'm just saying, probably badly, is that there is a sort of running joke overseas that America is largely seen as that obnoxious spoilt brat teenager, even if some Presidents are more reliable than others. And the subsequent bewilderment that they not only run the world, but elect morons time after time. But it's all in good fun, nothing venomous or relating to serious judgments.
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Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Personally, I think it is you that does not like America, and you are just making opinionated assumptions about the rest of the world.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
No, that is not something I fail to comprehend. I was more thinking along the line of our benefit, and not theirs. Do I really need to explain the value of trust to you?
I hope they are still willing to come to the U.S. if they need it, and I hope in that event we can rise above the childlike pettiness that is the norm of the Trump administration.
