Uk sets out on a path to eliminate private ownership of cars for citizens?

[Twilight Hue]

UK Inches Closer To Eliminating Private Car Ownership

I can't imagine living in a society where private ownership is systematically stripped away.

Is this true?

Also

Would you like to have private ownership of cars and vehicles taken away from you by the government?

 

[RestlessSoul]

I'll send you a postcard when we get there


Incidentally, would you like to have the air you breath taken away from you and your children's lungs, by private car owners too lazy to take the bus?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'll send you a postcard when we get there


Incidentally, would you like to have the air you breath taken away from you and your children's lungs, by private car owners too lazy to take the bus?

Let me know as soon as they start banning air to breathe.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

UK Inches Closer To Eliminating Private Car Ownership

I can't imagine living in a society where private ownership is systematically stripped away.

Is this true?

Also

Would you like to have private ownership of cars and vehicles taken away from you by the government?

How do you get from "300 people are considering willingly selling their cars to the government" to "vehicles taken away from you by the government"?

 

[Twilight Hue]

How do you get from "300 people are considering willingly selling their cars to the government" to "vehicles taken away from you by the government"?

Did you even read the article???



Snippet: Government Transport Minister Trudy Harrison recently spoke at a mobility conference, addressing the future of personal mobility. In her comments, she said it was necessary to ditch the "20th-century thinking centred around private vehicle ownership and towards greater flexibility, with personal choice and low carbon shared transport."

Because it's the ultimate end goal by doing so.

The mentality is there.

 

[Viker]

A true picture of modern Britain.

 

[Audie]

I'll send you a postcard when we get there


Incidentally, would you like to have the air you breath taken away from you and your children's lungs, by private car owners too lazy to take the bus?

Can we archive this as a model answer
to the question,
" whats an example of false dichotomy"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Let me know as soon as they start banning air to breathe.

The threat to car use you should probably be most worried about actually comes from an increase in freedom and a reduction in government interference: elimination of parking minimums.

More and more, cities are getting rid of minimum parking requirements in their zoning by-laws/ordinances. Increasingly, property owners are being allowed to provide whatever amount of parking they see fit instead of having to provide some minimum amount set out by law based on their development's size and intended use.

... and a lot of developers in these areas are choosing to drastically reduce how much parking they provide, or not provide parking at all.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Did you even read the article???

Yes. Did you?

Snippet: Government Transport Minister Trudy Harrison recently spoke at a mobility conference, addressing the future of personal mobility. In her comments, she said it was necessary to ditch the "20th-century thinking centred around private vehicle ownership and towards greater flexibility, with personal choice and low carbon shared transport."

Because it's the ultimate end goal by doing so.

The mentality is there.

I take it that you think:

- policy that isn't centered on private cars wouldn't allow for private cars.
- you think this is an outcome she wants to force through legislation and isn't where she thinks market forces are heading.

Is that correct?

 

[England my lionheart]

News to me but an interesting read,not sure how this could work though,public transport isn’t any use for many people.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Would you like to have private ownership of cars and vehicles taken away from you by the government?

That's really interesting, (and mean that in a strictly neutral way, as I don't know what to make of it) and I suppose my first set of questions would have to wonder if there is any liability shift. Tons of things go wrong with cars, and related mechanical transportation, far too often.

 

[Audie]

A true picture of modern Britain.

H]

I thought Britain was kind of pitiful,
when I was there, with its trappings of empire
reduced to theme park attractions for tourists.

I had to try fish n chips.

Got some from a place ( staffed by Filipinos)
who were pleased when i said " salamat po".
That was before i tried it.
I threw it away.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's really interesting, (and mean that in a strictly neutral way, as I don't know what to make of it) and I suppose my first set of questions would have to wonder if there is any liability shift. Tons of things go wrong with cars, and related mechanical transportation, far too often.

There's up and downs to every thing. :0]

It's striking because the UK , if I'm correct, loves their cars.

I found the story a bit intriguing and upsetting at the same time.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The threat to car use you should probably be most worried about actually comes from an increase in freedom and a reduction in government interference: elimination of parking minimums.

More and more, cities are getting rid of minimum parking requirements in their zoning by-laws/ordinances. Increasingly, property owners are being allowed to provide whatever amount of parking they see fit instead of having to provide some minimum amount set out by law based on their development's size and intended use.

... and a lot of developers in these areas are choosing to drastically reduce how much parking they provide, or not provide parking at all.

I can see that reasoning and it has some sense to it.

But does it justify what Trudy Harrison said?

 

[epronovost]

Did you even read the article???



Snippet: Government Transport Minister Trudy Harrison recently spoke at a mobility conference, addressing the future of personal mobility. In her comments, she said it was necessary to ditch the "20th-century thinking centred around private vehicle ownership and towards greater flexibility, with personal choice and low carbon shared transport."

Because it's the ultimate end goal by doing so.

The mentality is there.

That's not what the quote says at all. What it says is that car ownership should not longer be considered the norm and central when it comes to moving around Britain; that public transports, bikes, communal automobile and other alternative should be considered the new normal. Get a grip.

 

[anna.]

UK Inches Closer To Eliminating Private Car Ownership

I can't imagine living in a society where private ownership is systematically stripped away.

Is this true?

Also

Would you like to have private ownership of cars and vehicles taken away from you by the government?

From the link:

"If you think this plan is limited to just the UK, you haven’t been paying attention. There have been other efforts to make private vehicle ownership a thing of the past, including a new measure in Southern California. The 2021 Regional Transportation Plan passed recently by the San Diego Association of Government’s board of directors is a $160 billion initiative just for the metropolitan area to boost public transportation.

That’s a hefty price tag for such a small area, so one of the ways officials have been planning to fund it is by levying a per-mile driving tax against citizens. That was such an unpopular move it was shelved, for now. But I have a funny feeling that driving tax is going to be revisited. Critics say that and other fines, fees, etc. are designed to nuke personal vehicle ownership for all but the wealthy."


"Such a small area?"

I would venture to guess dear writer has never driven SoCal freeways during rush hour.

 

[PureX]

Keep in mind that 'ownership' is just figurative title. What matters is control. You can 'own' all the cars in China, but if you have no control over who is using them, when, how, or why, your 'ownership' is just an empty label. Conversely, the government can 'own' every car in this country, but if you can use one whenever, however, and for whatever reason you want, then so what?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

The threat to car use you should probably be most worried about actually comes from an increase in freedom and a reduction in government interference: elimination of parking minimums.

Well, increasing freedom with technology seems to correlate with advancements with technology, but I think it also might correlate with saddling the citizen with more responsibility, possibly to undue levels. An even greater hell would be to maximize state involvement, but still saddle the citizen with maximum liability, in my opinion.

I say all this in light of the recent tragedy in colorado, where a semi trucker is facing 110 years for getting in a bad accident: I have techno-sociological questions about that, and think it's a bit harsh. Conversely, I doubt an earlier train engineer from 150 years ago would be reprimanded so harshly in an accident, for failing to understand his far more primitive machine.

It seems that there is some invisible point in the evolution of a technology, where the citizen is expected to understand and be liable for every minute nuance of it, with no mercy on you should you not understand every single component. But that is in stark contrast to how technologies begin: they are experimental and exploratory at that stage, and so flaws don't stick to the people who use them

 

[Twilight Hue]

From the link:

"If you think this plan is limited to just the UK, you haven’t been paying attention. There have been other efforts to make private vehicle ownership a thing of the past, including a new measure in Southern California. The 2021 Regional Transportation Plan passed recently by the San Diego Association of Government’s board of directors is a $160 billion initiative just for the metropolitan area to boost public transportation.

That’s a hefty price tag for such a small area, so one of the ways officials have been planning to fund it is by levying a per-mile driving tax against citizens. That was such an unpopular move it was shelved, for now. But I have a funny feeling that driving tax is going to be revisited. Critics say that and other fines, fees, etc. are designed to nuke personal vehicle ownership for all but the wealthy."


"Such a small area?"

I would venture to guess dear writer has never driven SoCal freeways during rush hour.

Oh yeah I heard of that as well, it seems like the premise is to outprice people out of their cars and force them onto public transportation systems.

Eventually I would think the ultimate goal is to go to pre Henry Ford days where everybody has to walk or take a coach everywhere, and the only one driving the cars will only be the super wealthy and elite.

The Democrat ideal of progress I suppose.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Conversely, the government can 'own' every car in this country, but if you can use one whenever, however, and for whatever reason you want, then so what?

It sounds like in that setup, then one could argue that the state should be responsible for maintaining them, for the most part. I somehow doubt that they would be interested in doing that, because nothing depreciates like a car does. However, if they were really interested in safety, control of transportation seems like the number one thing to actually regulate heavily. As it stands, everyone is allowed to have different cars, each in highly variable states of maintenance, efficiency, and safety, clearly.