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Ultra Orthodox men can now be drafted in Israel. Thoughts?
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Subduction Zone
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So then probably not "scholars". A scholar is more of an advanced student. At least that appeared to be the definition in the context of your post. For those young men "student" is a more accurate term.
What about them?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Do you know what a bochur is?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Subduction Zone
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No, That is why I had a qualifier in my statement. But here is the deal, you do not get to assume that they are scholars either. If you want to claim that they are the burden of proof is upon you.
No, again, you were the one that claimed that they were scholars. I only explained why they probably were not.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Subduction Zone
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If you cannot follow your own conversation how do you expect others to do so for you?
That translation is pretty non-standard:
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And probably many more. There is nothing about "Torah scholars" there but there is the prayer injunction for peace and all people of good will should join in that prayer.
I'm not a Torah scholar nor a practitioner of Judaism but I take it as a mitzvah to pray for peace:
May the light of His Silence
break in every heart.
Let there be peace and love
among all beings of the universe.
From that I believe that one does not have to be Haredi nor a Torah scholar to pray for peace. And I believe it is our duty to be part of the nation we live in not set ourselves apart demanding special privileges.
My thought is, no one should be forced to be in military, nor forced to kill others.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
I think you're confused. My discussion with David is not about the men in the article. Did you know that?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
How does that invalidate the method of peace making which is being taught by Rav Kook to his students?
Altfish
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Have you considered becoming US PresidentMy age is showing ...
nope. @RabbiO is a peace maker. Did you know that
Who cares if no one is listening ? The Ultra Orthodox are rabid war mongers .. calling for the Ethnic Cleansing of the Land "From the River to the Sea" .. along with Leader Bibi ! Did you know that
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Subduction Zone
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He may disagree with you about that and if you were doing so why derail the thread so incredibly early? Your actions indicate otherwise.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Because David asked my opinion.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
People are listening.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
... in large part, beyond your awareness and comprehension.
It doesn't affect that in the least. My objection is to two things: asserting that a passage from the Torah says something it does not and a claim of special status. Every religious person of good will should pray for peace.
Further I have two quotes from Rav Avraham Yitzchak Kook in my collection of Kaballah quotes which use as inspiration. They echo spiritual teaching from sufism, hinduism and other paths and so help me to remember that the same truth can be found in many different places:
"Therefore, the pure righteous do not complain of the dark, but increase the light; they do not complain of evil, but increase justice; they do not complain of heresy, but increase faith; they do not complain of ignorance, but increase wisdom."
“All my days I have been careful never to pluck a blade of grass or a flower needlessly, when it had the ability to grow or blossom. You know the teaching of our sages that not a single blade of grass grows here on Earth that does not have an angel above it, commanding it to grow. Every sprout and leaf says something meaningful, every stone whispers some hidden message in the silence—every creation sings its song.”