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Ultra Orthodox men can now be drafted in Israel. Thoughts?

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's not aggressive, they were scouting. That's not an invasion.

They were lost in the wilderness. Yes they were warned not to do it, but that doesn't make them aggressive. Amakek were the aggressors.

And they rose up early in the morning, and went up to the top of the mountain, saying, Behold, we are here, and will go up to the place of which the Lord has spoken; for we have sinned.

They were admitting their sin. That's not aggressive.
And you believed them. You misplace your skepticism of others too often. If they thought that they had sinned the last thing that they would do would have been to disobey God's mouthpiece.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
And you believed them.

It's how the story is written.

Amakek, right or wrong, is portrayed as those who attack without provocation. I was right, you were wrong.

You're trying to rewrite the story in the same way as assigning Harry Potter to Slitherin instead of Griffindor.

Details matter.

@Revoltingest ,

I was right. Will you notice and change your unfair prejudice? Doubt it.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
That's cult behavior designed to isolate people from the wider world and engender dependence on the cult. You find that in various authoritarian cults and sects.
I'd like to honestly respond to your remark of cult, but I think it would be perceived as bashing a religious group, and end with me getting banned.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It's how the story is written.

Amakek, right or wrong, is portrayed as those who attack without provocation. I was right, you were wrong.

You're trying to rewrite the story in the same way as assigning Harry Potter to Slitherin instead of Griffindor.

Details matter.

@Revoltingest ,

I was right. Will you notice and change your unfair prejudice? Doubt it.
When it comes to slanted stories you have to learn how to read between the lines. We do not have an Amalekite source. To me it looks as if rightfully they saw Moses and his clan as a group of armed invaders looking to steal the land of others.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
New grandbaby to spend time with.

I think you'll really like this.

The "Shema" ( Deuteronomy 6:4 ) is the declaration of the unparalleled unity of The-Most-High. It is sung by many many Jews as a lullaby. It is, literally, the first religious lesson ( Literally "Torah", a teaching ) that is transmitted from parent to child fulfilling the commandment which follows in the same chapter: "You shall teach it, diligently, to your children..."

The implications of this, an unparalleled unity in the heavens, are profound. Primary among them is this. There is a great peace and cooperation in the heavens among the many thousands of heavenly hosts each marching to the beat of what appears to be different drummers. But, Father Abraham realized, there is no conflict. Everything is in order.

This idea, when applied to The Lord's Prayer, for me, brings tremendous depth to the teaching of Jesus as he is directing the Christian how to pray. "Thy will be done, on earth as it is heaven"? It is a prayer for peace as one drifts into slumber. Profound in its simplicity and truth.

Shalom,

 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
That does not merit genocide'

Maybe that's why they weren't wiped out in the story? ;)

There's always at least two sides to each and every story. That's the path to peace which is realized by Torah scholars, taught and practiced among religious Jews all over the world. If you'll notice, the ones who are in power in Israel, in the majority, are not Torah Scholars. And that is why they do not recognize the value in Torah Scholarship in regard to Israel's defense.

Now go back and re-read the quote from Rav Kook. I pray that you understand.

Am Yisroel Chai!
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Maybe that's why they weren't wiped out in the story? ;)

There's always at least two sides to each and every story. That's the path to peace which is realized by Torah scholars, taught and practiced among religious Jews all over the world. If you'll notice, the ones who are in power in Israel, in the majority, are not Torah Scholars. And that is why they do not recognize the value in Torah Scholarship in regard to Israel's defense.

Now go back and re-read the quote from Rav Kook. I pray that you understand.

Am Yisroel Chai!
In the myth God told them to kill everyone. Whether the people accomplished that or not does not man that your version of God is not evil. And there are more than two sides to stories like this. One can never trust either side to get it right. Like the bogus claim that the Amalekites were to blame. Read the story without blinders on and you can see that it was the Hebrews that were in the wrong to start with. Of course even the basic principle of this story is myth. We really have no idea of how the Hebrews entered the area. There is no history of it.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
In the myth God told them to kill everyone. Whether the people accomplished that or not does not man that your version of God is not evil.

Nah. You've forgotten something. I'm not interested in coaching you. Please enjoy your day, Sub. I wish you only good things.
 
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