UnChristian - What A New Generation Really Thinks About Christianity

[jmvizanko]

UnChristian - What A New Generation Really Thinks About Christianity . . . and Why It Matters | Future Majority

The results of this study pleasantly surprised me. Yes many Christians are not antiscientific, antihomosexual, etc. But many are these things, and it because of their Christianity. If the pros of religion, such as having a good moral compass and empathy, can be had without religion, and I and all the atheists I know are proof of this, then religion's only value is in its cons.

There is a war of ideas out there. I find great hope in the fact that many young people are opposed to antiquated and irrational belief systems, instead being attracted to social libertarianism and the marvelous fruits that science has to offer. What this world needs is more live and let live, and less priests and more scientists. Its time to leave ancient cryptic metaphysical poems that lead to belief in ridiculous concepts, like hell being just, gays being an abomination, and the earth being a few thousand years old, behind.

Perhaps there is much more hope for this uniquely and unfortunately religious modern country than I thought there was. We apparently just need to let the older generations die out.

 

[waitasec]

UnChristian - What A New Generation Really Thinks About Christianity . . . and Why It Matters | Future Majority

The results of this study pleasantly surprised me. Yes many Christians are not antiscientific, antihomosexual, etc. But many are these things, and it because of their Christianity. If the pros of religion, such as having a good moral compass and empathy, can be had without religion, and I and all the atheists I know are proof of this, then religion's only value is in its cons.

There is a war of ideas out there. I find great hope in the fact that many young people are opposed to antiquated and irrational belief systems, instead being attracted to social libertarianism and the marvelous fruits that science has to offer. What this world needs is more live and let live, and less priests and more scientists. Its time to leave ancient cryptic metaphysical poems that lead to belief in ridiculous concepts, like hell being just, gays being an abomination, and the earth being a few thousand years old, behind.

Perhaps there is much more hope for this uniquely and unfortunately religious modern country than I thought there was. We apparently just need to let the older generations die out.

i agree and would like to add;
the world needs more philosophers too.
just because science may figure out how to clone a person, doesn't necessarily mean we should

power means responsibility.
imo...

 

[jmvizanko]

the world needs more philosophers too.
just because science may figure out how to clone a person, doesn't necessarily mean we should

power means responsibility.
imo...

Agreed.

 

[sandandfoam]

I don't think modernists who believe they know the truth are any different than ancients who believed they knew the truth.

 

[AuroraWillow]

Not all religion is modern evangelical conservative Christianity. Religion has plenty of value, especially since extreme conservative religion is the only one that teaches such things as you mention, and contrary to what the media and Fox news would have you believe, they really are the minority.

 

[jmvizanko]

I don't think modernists who believe they know the truth are any different than ancients who believed they knew the truth.

Yes. The ancients definitely had just as great an understanding of how the world works as we do. Modern science explains nothing. And logic and philosophy are no better than the suggestions of ancient superstitious men who thought, in high mania and egotism, that they were vessels for messages from the gods.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If the pros of religion, such as having a good moral compass and empathy, can be had without religion, and I and all the atheists I know are proof of this, then religion's only value is in its cons.

And it's cons we can have without religion. You can't dismiss one without the other.

But I agree. Religion just needs to be left to the privacy of ones own personal life. Let society prosper, civil liberties be the law, and scientist to be left to study and research without worrying about public and political backlash from the religious conservative crowd.

 

[jmvizanko]

Not all religion is modern evangelical conservative Christianity. Religion has plenty of value, especially since extreme conservative religion is the only one that teaches such things as you mention, and contrary to what the media and Fox news would have you believe, they really are the minority.

Sure. But they wouldn't exist if they didn't have the bible to justify their beliefs. I don't know any atheists that have any problem with science or gays etc...

I don't think the attitudes found are unjustified. I have met many intelligent and great Christians. But I think there are greater numbers that hold some of the aforementioned viewpoints than you are recognizing, at least in the US. And that is why I think Christianity is an entirely unnecessary evil.

 

[jmvizanko]

And it's cons we can have without religion. You can't dismiss one without the other.

But I agree. Religion just needs to be left to the privacy of ones own personal life. Let society prosper, civil liberties be the law, and scientist to be left to study and research without worrying about public and political backlash from the religious conservative crowd.

Like I just said above, I have never met an atheist that had any of these cons. Have you?

And I agree. As long as people keep their beliefs to themself, I don't care what they believe. But I still consider it a good thing that someday we may have more scientists and tolerant people because Christianity is being abandoned.

 

[sandandfoam]

Yes. The ancients definitely had just as great an understanding of how the world works as we do. Modern science explains nothing. And logic and philosophy are no better than the suggestions of ancient superstitious men who thought, in high mania and egotism, that they were vessels for messages from the gods.

You miss my point.
We live in a post-modern world.
In my view the certainty of the modernist that they hold 'the truth' is on a par with the conviction of the ancient that they held 'the truth'.
My point relates to attitude. Modernists and ancients share a misplaced belief in their posession of the key to 'truth'.

 

[AuroraWillow]

Sure. But they wouldn't exist if they didn't have the bible to justify their beliefs. I don't know any atheists that have any problem with science or gays etc...

I've met a few homophobic atheists. I don't think that being an atheist precludes you from being so.

I don't think the attitudes found are unjustified. I have met many intelligent and great Christians. But I think there are greater numbers that hold some of the aforementioned viewpoints than you are recognizing, at least in the US. And that is why I think Christianity is an entirely unnecessary evil.

Ah, but you said "religion." What I'm saying is that religion isn't all Christianity. If you're being specific you should say so, otherwise us non-Christian religious people will think we're being insulted.

 

[Twig pentagram]

Sure. But they wouldn't exist if they didn't have the bible to justify their beliefs. I don't know any atheists that have any problem with science or gays etc...

I don't think the attitudes found are unjustified. I have met many intelligent and great Christians. But I think there are greater numbers that hold some of the aforementioned viewpoints than you are recognizing, at least in the US. And that is why I think Christianity is an entirely unnecessary evil.

I know a whole group of atheist that don't approve of homosexuality. They are called Five Percenters.

 

[jmvizanko]

You miss my point.
We live in a post-modern world.
In my view the certainty of the modernist that they hold 'the truth' is on a par with the conviction of the ancient that they held 'the truth'.
My point relates to attitude. Modernists and ancients share a misplaced belief in their posession of the key to 'truth'.

Perhaps I dont know what you mean by modernists/ism. Because I dont know of the confidence in having the truth that you are referring to. Skeptics have the antithesis of that.

 

[jmvizanko]

I know a whole group of atheist that don't approve of homosexuality. They are called Five Percenters.

Could you link me to some information about them? Because I can't find any.

 

[Twig pentagram]

Could you link me to some information about them? Because I can't find any.

Google the Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths.

 

[jmvizanko]

I've met a few homophobic atheists. I don't think that being an atheist precludes you from being so.

Ah, but you said "religion." What I'm saying is that religion isn't all Christianity. If you're being specific you should say so, otherwise us non-Christian religious people will think we're being insulted.

Well it would be a first for me to meet one.

And the topic and study is directed at Christianity. Although I recognize that there are other religions that are just as guilty as Christianity, and even moreso for some of them (Islam anyone?), I also know that there are many religions out there that have no such problems.

 

[jmvizanko]

Google the Five Percent Nation of Gods and Earths.

How is this group atheists?

 

[Twig pentagram]

How is this group atheists?

They don't believe in a god. They believe they are there own gods and many of them call themselves aggressive atheist.

 

[jmvizanko]

They don't believe in a god. They believe they are there own gods and many of them call themselves aggressive atheist.

They appear to be some weird offshoot of Islam. Atheists by definition? Possibly. But still superstitous and far from naturalistic or skeptical.

 

[sandandfoam]

the marvelous fruits that science has to offer. What this world needs is ....more scientists.

So you are skeptical of objectivity?