Does transgender include the nonbinary? Some might disagree.
LGBT certainly excludes the asexual, the pansexual, the polysexual and the intersex.
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Understanding LGBTxxxxxxx... Terms
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Does transgender include the nonbinary? Some might disagree.
LGBT certainly excludes the asexual, the pansexual, the polysexual and the intersex.
Ok, that is called hermaphrodite. Did we really need to invent a new word?
What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America
Intersex is a person who has the characteristics of both male and female.
What you described here is asexual.
Well I mean that they are anybody whose biology cannot be categorised as 'male' or 'female'.
An intersex human or other animal is one possessing any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies".
To me the differences are that sexual preferences such as the LGB are real.
I think all of the other crap is just made up, because it doesn't exist outside of the heads of anyone but themselves and people to accept it. If other people are required to believe it for it to exist, it's a faith argument and not real to me. The new age psychology legitimizing these things is pretty damn cagey.
Intersex is the exception, as that is a third possible gender and people are born that way so to speak. Sure, it's a "defect" in that is rarely happens, but it does.
To me the differences are that sexual preferences such as the LGB are real.
I think all of the other crap is just made up, because it doesn't exist outside of the heads of anyone but themselves and people to accept it. If other people are required to believe it for it to exist, it's a faith argument and not real to me. The new age psychology legitimizing these things is pretty damn cagey.
Intersex is the exception, as that is a third possible gender and people are born that way so to speak. Sure, it's a "defect" in that is rarely happens, but it does.
Does sexual orientation, on the other hand, in some way exist outside people's heads?
Well, sexual attraction is certainly just a biological function. There is homosexuality and bisexuality in the rest of the animal kingdom as well. Whatever does it for you, it's much more than a conscious decision. Anyway, I just think identity politics are played out and most of the people jumping on the train are just riding trends. It doesn't hurt me at all if you want to live in some other gender role than your parts, but don't expect me to mindlessly consider you the same. I tend to value people based on their merit anyway... Cross-dressers and trannies have been around forever, and never before did they give two craps about the pronouns. It's a "new" thing.
Well yeah, but it's a mental phenomenon. That's where it exists. Same as gender.
To be honest, though, I think the biological basis of gender is irrelevant. If someone feels the most comfortable identifying and socially expressing as X, and it doesn't harm anybody, what's the problem with accepting them as such?
To be honest, if I were to have a kid many people would be confused, because they'd be like 'Is it a boy or a girl?' and I'd be like 'We don't know yet, we'll see when they get older!'
I don't care, for me it's XY or XX or something inbetween.
I do not think gender roles (as imposed by society) have a sexual assignment, but I also don't think emulating them makes you the opposite sex either. If I err, I err on the side of the plumbing, lol. I also don't know anyone that 100% assumes a gender "role", and often men and women both assume whatever roles they need to in life.Functionally though, it's irrelevant to me. If someone wants to call themselves a trans-whatever it doesn't change anything at all for me personally or professionally. It also is a non-concern for any other domestic reasons, so it's pretty much having zero impact on the entirety of existence -- thus my comment, "it's in your head." I'm live and let live.
I don't care, for me it's XY or XX or something inbetween.
Functionally though, it's irrelevant to me. If someone wants to call themselves a trans-whatever it doesn't change anything at all for me personally or professionally. It also is a non-concern for any other domestic reasons, so it's pretty much having zero impact on the entirety of existence -- thus my comment, "it's in your head." I'm live and let live.
Gender roles go pretty deep psychologically. The different ways of thinking people have based on their gender can be mapped quite well, and vary culturally. Some people do essentially have brains which, due perhaps to hormonal exposure in the womb, mean they are more authentically expressed as women when their biology is otherwise male, for example.
R.e. your latter statement - so to be clear, if somebody who was biologically male said they were a woman, would you refer to them as 'she' etc?
HonestJoe
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There's probably an element of that, though as much due to established labels being given negative connotations by those opposed to these things as anything else.
Ultimately, I don't see why you need to know all this. Presumably none of these labels apply to you and probably not to anyone you're close to (at least not that they'd let on to you). If you do encounter someone who you need to understand their sexuality, you can just talk in individual specifics, no predefined labels are needed (or really of any use).
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I have to admit, I am at a loss here, because it seems every month a new letter is added to the acronym for those of an alternative lifestyle. I seriously think people are over complicating this issue in order to have their own personal label. From what I know and/or looked up:
Gay - being sexually attracted to the same gender. Usually understood as a label for men, but it can refer to women as well.
Lesbian - being sexually attracted to the same gender as a female.
Bisexual - being sexually attracted to both genders, regardless of your gender.
Trans - being born one gender but identifying as the other.
Queer - an umbrella term for self affirmation within the LGBT community.
Intersex - Someone is born a certain gender but their reproductive organs are from the opposite gender.
Asexual - not sexually attracted to either gender.
Pansexual - being attracted to someone regardless of their gender, defined as liking the individual, not their sexuality.
So we are up to LGBTQIAP....
I agree all the definitions are correct. The only issue I have is we don't have an "alternative lifestyle."
Bothers me every time I read that. All those listed are basically wrapped up in three things: its either/and gender identity, sexual orientation, sexuality, (or none of the above).
That, and I agree. Every time I look back another letter is attached. You forgot nonbinary
Actually not so. An asexual is someone who has no sexual preference, little to no desire for sex and sometimes (but not always) no libido for sex.
Someone born with abnormal or no sexual organs can still have sexual preference and libido. Hence being included in intersex instead.
Most asexuals have their organs intact.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
At this rate, those who are interested in bestiality will start developing their own labels as well.
"No no, I am not into sheep, only dogs. I consider myself a canine connoisseur! Call me a CC for short."
"Dogs are so last century. Do it with raccoons. Then you can be a bandit banger! BB baby!"
"No no, I am not into sheep, only dogs. I consider myself a canine connoisseur! Call me a CC for short."
"Dogs are so last century. Do it with raccoons. Then you can be a bandit banger! BB baby!"
You sure you're not an evangelical Christian Deist? Because comparing nonconsentual paraphilia to lgbt is the sort of **** they do.At this rate, those who are interested in bestiality will start developing their own labels as well.
"No no, I am not into sheep, only dogs. I consider myself a canine connoisseur! Call me a CC for short."
"Dogs are so last century. Do it with raccoons. Then you can be a bandit banger! BB baby!"
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Quite positive. Besides, I found it to be funny.
In case you missed the point, it was a joke aimed at everyone wanting their own little label.
Well, your little jokes fall flat.
Trolling and bullying is always called jokes when people backpeddle.
Anyway, 10 to 15 terms is really not that difficult to comprehend. If it is, definitely don't think about looking seriously into psychology, philosophy or medicine. Because evolving terminology to represent a growing understanding of categories is par for the course.