Understanding LGBTxxxxxxx... Terms

[Kirran]

No, I refuse to participate in the scheme. I shall use their proper name, that's it.

I'm not buying the lunatic fringe psychology, things don't exist just because you keep rampantly repeating your confirmation biases to yourself. I'm not sucked into the sham, I'm tolerant but not participating.

I don't think that's really what tolerance is.

 

[Mindmaster]

I don't think that's really what tolerance is.

Tolerance doesn't mean you have to accept what you consider a load of crap, you merely have to allow others the freedom to be as silly as they like.

 

[Kirran]

Tolerance doesn't mean you have to accept what you consider a load of crap, you merely have to allow others the freedom to be as silly as they like.

I think not doing something so easy as using the pronouns people prefer because it makes them more comfortable and helps them be more authentic to who they feel they are is intolerant, in no small part on account of the sheer unaccommodating nature of it.

 

[Mindmaster]

I think not doing something so easy as using the pronouns people prefer because it makes them more comfortable and helps them be more authentic to who they feel they are is intolerant, in no small part on account of the sheer unaccommodating nature of it.

I think it's unfair for them to expect me to do anything, they're not paying me. I don't owe random strangers anything but a basic consideration, but since they complicated the game I have just played the next move. I'll continue to use names to refer to anyone, because triggering them with improper pronouns wastes my life.

 

[Kirran]

I think it's unfair for them to expect me to do anything, they're not paying me. I don't owe random strangers anything but a basic consideration, but since they complicated the game I have just played the next move. I'll continue to use names to refer to anyone, because triggering them with improper pronouns wastes my life.

I would think using the appropriate pronouns comes into basic consideration.

 

[Mindmaster]

I would think using the appropriate pronouns comes into basic consideration.

No, constantly having to investigate and retain everyone's pronoun du jour wastes my time when it becomes more complicated than has boobs or has balls. I'm not going to bother, and I doubt anyone else does in real life either. You just guess based on the apparent evidence, and go. I just dodge the whole SJW crazy train with one move, I know it's frustrating to many. I'm older, and I know exactly where all of this will go -- it'll no longer be a trend in say ten years, and all of these folks will be settling down in their mid-thirties with their 2.5 kids and a dog. That's why I'm not interested, they will grow up, and out of it. When being weird costs you a ton of money and opportunity you get tired of huffing it harder than everyone else to get the same. Market pressure changes lives...

They'll get tired of having less than others for doing the same work or get tired of the limited social circle that will cave to their demands. That's why I simply live and let live, the forces of society largely right themselves.

 

[Kirran]

No, constantly having to investigate and retain everyone's pronoun du jour wastes my time when it becomes more complicated than has boobs or has balls. I'm not going to bother, and I doubt anyone else does in real life either. You just guess based on the apparent evidence, and go. I just dodge the whole SJW crazy train with one move, I know it's frustrating to many. I'm older, and I know exactly where all of this will go -- it'll no longer be a trend in say ten years, and all of these folks will be settling down in their mid-thirties with their 2.5 kids and a dog. That's why I'm not interested, they will grow up, and out of it. When being weird costs you a ton of money and opportunity you get tired of huffing it harder than everyone else to get the same. Market pressure changes lives...

They'll get tired of having less than others for doing the same work or get tired of the limited social circle that will cave to their demands. That's why I simply live and let live, the forces of society largely right themselves.

I am confused as to your certainty on this, because surely it's obvious people said exactly the same thing about gay people a generation ago?

As for boobs and balls - if you met me in the street, I doubt you're gonna stick your hand between my legs to check, and there are plenty of people with both boobs and balls.

 

[Mindmaster]

I am confused as to your certainty on this, because surely it's obvious people said exactly the same thing about gay people a generation ago?

As for boobs and balls - if you met me in the street, I doubt you're gonna stick your hand between my legs to check, and there are plenty of people with both boobs and balls.

Obviously, no one is bothering with the junk check when it's less than 1% of the population that doesn't fit in the box. And no, gay people were always a thing just how society has accepted them has changed. I still don't conflate the things and see no connection between sexual preference and gender identities, or what relation they ever could have. One thing is who you are attracted to, and the other is what you prefer to be seen as or live as. Transgenderism is largely a choice in that you could just decide to be a tom boy or a girly man right? I think it's pretty extreme, and something different all together than having much to do with roles. There can't possibly be as many trans as they claim, and no doubt some people are just faking it like the other fad identities of the past. We used to just be punkers, goths, metalheads, stoners, etc, whatever. Now it just has gotten to damn complicated.

 

[Kirran]

Obviously, no one is bothering with the junk check when it's less than 1% of the population that doesn't fit in the box. And no, gay people were always a thing just how society has accepted them has changed. I still don't conflate the things and see no connection between sexual preference and gender identities, or what relation they ever could have. One thing is who you are attracted to, and the other is what you prefer to be seen as or live as. Transgenderism is largely a choice in that you could just decide to be a tom boy or a girly man right? I think it's pretty extreme, and something different all together than having much to do with roles. There can't possibly be as many trans as they claim, and no doubt some people are just faking it like the other fad identities of the past. We used to just be punkers, goths, metalheads, stoners, etc, whatever. Now it just has gotten to damn complicated.

But gender variance has also always been a thing! It has been repressed under Western culture, but many other cultures have traditionally acknowledged it in various ways.

No, it's not really a choice. People don't choose to be transgender, why would you? There's a lot of persecution and misunderstanding that comes with it.

I hope you don't think I'm just being difficult, but I just really don't see that this is anything significantly difference to previous advances in recognition of people's identities.

 

[Mindmaster]

But gender variance has also always been a thing! It has been repressed under Western culture, but many other cultures have traditionally acknowledged it in various ways.

No, it's not really a choice. People don't choose to be transgender, why would you? There's a lot of persecution and misunderstanding that comes with it.

I hope you don't think I'm just being difficult, but I just really don't see that this is anything significantly difference to previous advances in recognition of people's identities.

I have no doubt some people are masochists, and some people are even self-sadistic to some degree. Some people actively look to be persecuted even when no such persecution exists. No doubt, other people are just latching on to the craze. I basically am not too opinionated on the thing, only the "real ones" will be around in a generation or so and they'll live just like they have been, with largely no one none the wiser. That's why I don't think it's too big of a deal either way, the ones that are in the game for the long haul are going to forgive pronoun transgressions because they simply don't care.

I don't consider being gay/bi/whatever an identity at all at the base level, certainly there are movements/cultures/scenes associated with anything. (Except bi, hiding in plain sight -- cheaters, lol) Anyway, I could literally pick any unwise decision a person could do off some haphazardly written down list and someone is doing it right now -- I'm not the guy to ask. My misanthropy will leak all over the forum...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Pansexuality is very very close to bisexuality, and the definition of polysexual literally came up as pansexual. While, sure, it would be nice to put every label in the name, that's just unrealistic if we want LGBT to still be a thing that others can easily recognize and say. If we included literally every possible label there would be too many to remember, and by far too many to write on posters and say to others and whatnot. I think extending it so far out really defeats its purpose and frankly just makes it unusable to the point where it would just get shortened back down to LGBT (or LGBT+ as I've seen some do) anyway.

Polysexual isn't the same as pansexual. Pansexuals are open to being attracted to any gender or gender expression, while polysexuals are attracted to more than two but not necessarily all. I could be called a polysexual. I used to call myself a pansexual but not anymore. I personally just call myself a queer now.