Understanding the holy scriptures is impossible unless God gives you the interpretation

[It Aint Necessarily So]

What I said was that the imagery of the ten commandments are on the Supreme Court Building.

Irrelevant.

The writers of the Constitution of the U.S. were mostly Christians

Also irrelevant even if correct.

As for the American dollars you use, they read "In God We Trust"

That's 3-for-3 in irrelevant comments.

That the retirement money you use is borrowed against the wages of the unborn

You're now 4-for-4.

You are permitting the killing of the unborn.

I have no say in it, but you're now 5-for-5 with irrelevant comments.

The Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

6-for 6. I don't know why you think I should care about any of that. The Declaration was relevant when it was written, and even then, only to people living in what was then the colonies. Today, it has no relevance even for people living in America, and I'm not one of them. The First Amendment is also irrelevant to me now.

As for your social security, when it goes dry, the current law states that the payouts will have to be reduced approximately 38%

7-for 7. I don't depend on Social Security.

Now that the Progressives are in power, there is little curb on theft, murder, or lying

I think you're confusing liberals with Trump and his supporters. Liberals are the ones insisting on the rule of law. Trump tried to steal state secrets and lied about it. He'll go to prison for that.

Now, when Trump gets elected, and the Cartels are cut off from their billions in revenue due to their human trade, the cartels probably can find out where you live, and drop in for a loan on your part. If you don't make them happy, they may make you sad. That would be called Karma.

You live in a fantasy world. The cartels play no part in my life and have no interest in people like me. We don't but their drugs or try to prevent them from selling them.

I think the Mexicans are starting to get tired of the Americans coming to Mexico

I don't know how welcome we are in the eyes of our neighbors, but their government wants us here. We're doing exactly what they want us to do - investing in and gentrifying Mexican real estate, spending in their markets and restaurants, hiring their skilled workers, buying cars in Mexico, and paying taxes to local governments.

I understand that you're trying to create a sense of insecurity in me, but you can't. You want me to suffer because to you, as with my in-laws, it's just not right that we be happy given our rejection of gods and religions. And so you threaten us with disaster scenarios that you dream up, which includes cartels invading our homes, or income drying up, and probably hell, too.

But you come by your doomsday psychology honestly. Both your church and conservative indoctrination media benefit from keeping you agitated, and since you trust them, you let them do that to you. The church teaches that the world is a horrible place and that you are better off not engaging it, and the Republicans teach you that the libs are Marxists coming for your guns, and so you live under those clouds.

I mentioned Trump and his supporters. Life is very unhappy now for them. Many conservative Americans are as agitated by what's happening to him as he is. It's all so unfair, they say. But that's the price one pays for listening to and believing those people.

As I've said multiple times, I leave that for those willing to buy into all of that to worry about. They can travail over fetuses, election integrity, the southern border, gag orders, the rise of the "nones," and other things that don't actually adversely impact their lives.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I understand exactly what happened to you. I also believe that you don't. Here's my story and why I say and believe what I do as well as why I am so emphatically opposed to belief by faith. It led to my making the biggest mistake of my life.

I can honestly say that renouncing my belief in the biblical God and disavowing my Christian faith was one of the best decisions I've ever made for myself. I consider it only secondary to confronting my abusive adoptive brother and mother when I was eighteen. I had suffered abuse and mistreatment at the hands of my adoptive Christian mother and older brother throughout my childhood until shortly after I turned eighteen and was able to defend myself.

For the record, I explained my own personal exodus from Christianity in these posts:

Theists: What would a godless universe look like?

The most influential man in the history of the world and you say "if he ever existed". Again that is your view. IMO, Buddha is the most important man in the history of the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

www.religiousforums.com

By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

Ironically, I've heard other Christians claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit, but their doctrine and interpretation of the Bible differ from yours. I'm sure that all of these other Christians believe that they are saved, guided by the Holy Spirit, and are genuine followers of Jesus, just as you...

www.religiousforums.com

I accept his conclusion since it's mine as well (and hardly baseless), and it's perfectly OK that you disagree.

I accept his conclusion because it is also mine, and it is not baseless either.

 

[Quester]

S

Stereotypical nasty comment. Is that where your "faith" leads you? (The answer is obvious)

I have better things to do than read your garbage. You are now on "ignore". Go insult somebody else.

You can always tell when someone knows they're wrong, but refuse to accept it. I mean - how plain an explanation is this? (History shows it isn't true, but, that isn't the point.)
1 Cor 15:23 But each in turn: Christ, the first-fruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

 

[Trailblazer]

Christian Gnosticism is Superior to Baha'i Faith. In Christian Gnosticism you are Not allowed to Eat any Meat or Foods Derived from Animals.

Superior only in your views.

Christian Gnosticism is Superior to all other Religions. Christian Gnosticism is Superior to the Bahai' Faith because Elohim/God has given us the Original teachings of Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ.

Superior only in your views.
According to my view Christianity is now history so people who dwell on the teachings of Jesus are dwelling on the past.

I believe the past is gone and we are now living in a new age, the Age of Fulfillment, since Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the Bible prophecies or they are in the process of being fulfilled right now.

You have Revealed the Baháʼí Faith is Natural Religion. In Christian Gnosticism Enjoying the Natural is Rejecting the Spiritual. The 7.9 Billion enjoy the natural, so you Baháʼís are no different from any other person on the Planet. Only a Select Few Transcend the Natural for the Spiritual.

It does not have to be either Natural or Spiritual, because all of the Natural does not have to interfere with one's relationship with God.

Only a Select Few Transcend the Natural for the Spiritual and if those select few believe they are superior that goes against the teachings of Jesus on humility.

Therefore, now you are aware that you are taking Drugs. Coffee is a Recreational Drug. In Christian Gnosticism we are Not Allowed to take any Pharmaceutical Drugs or Recreational Drugs. Elohim/God is our Spiritual Doctor that keeps us Healthy.

That is an extreme view not to take any Pharmaceutical Drugs, as sometimes drugs are needed to maintain health. God is not a doctor.

"According to the explicit decree of Bahá'u'lláh one must not turn aside from the advice of a competent doctor. It is imperative to consult one even if the patient himself be a well-known and eminent physician. In short, the point is that you should maintain your health by consulting a highly-skilled physician." Apr 10, 2021
Lights of Guidance/Doctors - Bahaiworks, a library of works ...

Our teaching is Only for a Select Few. In Christian Gnosticism you cannot use Birth Control and Sex is Only for Procreation in a Marriage. In Baha'i Law you allow Recreational Sex in a Marriage.

You are correct in saying that your teaching is Only for a Select Few, so how will this teaching help anyone else but those select few?
What about the rest of humanity, don't they matter to you?

The Body wants so Satisfy itself as this is Natural.

You are correct. Sex is Natural and not Spiritual. That is one reason why and I am against bodily pleasures for myself, but I do not judge others for their choices. Jesus said to judge not lest ye be judged.

2 Timothy 3:12

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

That's correct, you are an exception. I live surrounded by Totally Devoted Satanists and happy to say I get Persecuted for living Totally Differently to everybody else.

In my opinion, nobody should be judged for their choices on how to live. I live a completely different lifestyle than most people, not only in rejecting the sexual norms, and I don't care what others think. I am not hurting anyone and It is MY life.

It is difficult being in a small minority but we each have to do what we think is right.

This Reveals that the Baha'i Faith is not Strict Enough allowing Recreational Sex in a Marriage. Given that Baha'i man would expect Recreation Sex it shows that your Religion is Natural. Your Religion is Revealed by the Practitioners that it produces. Having Recreational Sex maintains Separation from Elohim/God because it Denies the Spiritual.

What you call Recreational Sex in marriage does not have to deny the Spiritual, it depends upon the person and how much value they place on sex. I once placed too much value on sex so it intervened and that is when I decided to give it up.

It's Good that you are Striving to get close to Elohim/God. I'm on the Spiritual Journey to Become Unified with Elohim/God.

Thanks. It is a good thing but it is a struggle, not because of anything Natural that is intervening between myself and God, but because of my thoughts and feelings about God.

 

[Trailblazer]

You can always tell when someone knows they're wrong, but refuse to accept it.

I don't think he knows he is wrong.
He refuses to accept anything that he doesn't agree with because he thinks he is right.
This is fairly consistent across his posts.

 

[Quester]

I don't think he knows he is wrong.
He refuses to accept anything that he doesn't agree with because he thinks he is right.
This is fairly consistent across his posts.

This is why constructivism works SO much better than classical teaching.

 

[2ndpillar]

Irrelevant.

Also irrelevant even if correct.

That's 3-for-3 in irrelevant comments.

You're now 4-for-4.

I have no say in it, but you're now 5-for-5 with irrelevant comments.

6-for 6. I don't know why you think I should care about any of that. The Declaration was relevant when it was written, and even then, only to people living in what was then the colonies. Today, it has no relevance even for people living in America, and I'm not one of them. The First Amendment is also irrelevant to me now.

7-for 7. I don't depend on Social Security.

I think you're confusing liberals with Trump and his supporters. Liberals are the ones insisting on the rule of law. Trump tried to steal state secrets and lied about it. He'll go to prison for that.

You live in a fantasy world. The cartels play no part in my life and have no interest in people like me. We don't but their drugs or try to prevent them from selling them.

I don't know how welcome we are in the eyes of our neighbors, but their government wants us here. We're doing exactly what they want us to do - investing in and gentrifying Mexican real estate, spending in their markets and restaurants, hiring their skilled workers, buying cars in Mexico, and paying taxes to local governments.

I understand that you're trying to create a sense of insecurity in me, but you can't. You want me to suffer because to you, as with my in-laws, it's just not right that we be happy given our rejection of gods and religions. And so you threaten us with disaster scenarios that you dream up, which includes cartels invading our homes, or income drying up, and probably hell, too.

But you come by your doomsday psychology honestly. Both your church and conservative indoctrination media benefit from keeping you agitated, and since you trust them, you let them do that to you. The church teaches that the world is a horrible place and that you are better off not engaging it, and the Republicans teach you that the libs are Marxists coming for your guns, and so you live under those clouds.

I mentioned Trump and his supporters. Life is very unhappy now for them. Many conservative Americans are as agitated by what's happening to him as he is. It's all so unfair, they say. But that's the price one pays for listening to and believing those people.

As I've said multiple times, I leave that for those willing to buy into all of that to worry about. They can travail over fetuses, election integrity, the southern border, gag orders, the rise of the "nones," and other things that don't actually adversely impact their lives.

Well, if you rely on stocks or a California retirement plan, based on worthless Chinese stocks and realestate investments, we are now in a recession, defined by two quarters of lower GDP. Combined with an approximate 35 trillion base deficit, and an approximately 170 trillion dollar unfunded payment system, your faith and hopes are about to be upended. The conditions are worse than any of the 5 prior bubble burst, and you can expect to loose 83% of your stock value based on history. As for Mexico, the cartels when faced with reduced drug shipments, and a cut off of human smuggling income, they will look for the next easy target. That is you. Like all kingdoms, they look to the weak with assets to take their tribute from. That will be you. No, you live in the land of cartels, you live in a land of death and slavery of the unfortunate, with the slaves being shipped to the US, and expected to pay the cartel. That payline will be cut off, because your Trump derangement Syndrome administration will not prevail. The Supreme Court has already indicated that the document case probably isn't going to have a leg to stand on. The Georgia prosecutor is looking at jail or disbarment. The New York fraud case is built on targeted prosecution, with no one harmed. No, you better try and get a tighter relationship with your Colorado 3rd cousins. You want to stay out of California, unless northern California secedes. But no one in northern California would probably want a left liberal living among them.

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[Elihoenai]

I wasn't taught what religion is. My definition is my own and no doubt differs from yours. I don't consider a naturalistic worldview like atheistic humanism a religion. It has no supernaturalism, no gods, no rituals, and no holy books.

Not all Religions are Supernatural. In Natural Religion your god is Nature. In Natural Religion you have Rituals such as going to work and eating regular meals to thrive and sustain in the Natural Life. Your Holy Book is the life you lead written on your Heart. Have every heard the saying "He/She is an Open Book"?


Natural religion

Natural religion most frequently means the "religion of nature", in which God, the soul, spirits, and all objects of the supernatural are considered as part of nature and not separate from it. Conversely, it is also used in philosophy to describe some aspects of religion that are said to be knowable apart from divine revelation through logic and reason alone, for example, the existence of the unmoved Mover, the first cause of the universe.[1]

Most authors[who?] consider natural religion as not only the foundation of monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam but also distinct from them.[2] According to some authors[who?], aspects of natural religion are found universally among all peoples, often in such forms as shamanism and animism.[3] They are still practiced in many parts of the world. The religions of Native American societies for example are considered as possessing some aspects of natural religion.

Natural religion - Wikipedia

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I believe that nature may be the only form of existence, that, that all that exists does so naturally and is thus a part of nature.

You sound Agnostic now. Do you believe that there is a possibility of Spiritual/Supernatural existence?

Surveys tell us that most people believe in some form of supernaturalism.

In Christendom, Islam and Judaism they give Only Lip Service to the Supernatural. If they Really Believe in the Supernatural they would Get Supernatural Power.

And what is their reward for holding such a belief? Dozens of RF posters have made claims of seeing further and arriving at spiritual truths and great insights, but I'm done asking them for examples. They have none, just the claim. It seems that having that belief satisfies some need that's foreign to me, maybe a need for there being magic in the world that I also don't seem to have.

That's because others cannot Convince a person of the Supernatural. You have to experience the Supernatural yourself through Totally Devoted Religious Practice. Also bear in mind that 2.4 Billion so-called Christians in Christendom are asserting that they have the Holy Spirit while practising the Natural Religion of Roman Catholicism.

What has whatever it is that you are doing different from people like me taught you and how have those ideas served you? Please be specific. Generalizations wouldn't dispel my current opinion about all of this being just words without substance.

I Am Christian Ascetic Monk that is Celibate, Free From Drugs, Free From Alcohol and Vegan. A practice what I preach. Apart from a small number of practitioners in Elite Religious Orders, Asceticism is rejected by so-called Christians. You will find in Christendom that with the practitioners it's just words of the mouth while practising Natural Religion. In Christendom they cannot stop Sinning because of the Religion that they practice.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Well, if you rely on stocks or a California retirement plan, based on worthless Chinese stocks and realestate investments, we are now in a recession, defined by two quarters of lower GDP. Combined with an approximate 35 trillion base deficit, and an approximately 170 trillion dollar unfunded payment system, your faith and hopes are about to be upended. The conditions are worse than any of the 5 prior bubble burst, and you can expect to loose 83% of your stock value based on history. As for Mexico, the cartels when faced with reduced drug shipments, and a cut off of human smuggling income, they will look for the next easy target. That is you. Like all kingdoms, they look to the weak with assets to take their tribute from. That will be you. No, you live in the land of cartels, you live in a land of death and slavery of the unfortunate, with the slaves being shipped to the US, and expected to pay the cartel. That payline will be cut off, because your Trump derangement Syndrome administration will not prevail. The Supreme Court has already indicated that the document case probably isn't going to have a leg to stand on. The Georgia prosecutor is looking at jail or disbarment. The New York fraud case is built on targeted prosecution, with no one harmed. No, you better try and get a tighter relationship with your Colorado 3rd cousins. You want to stay out of California, unless northern California secedes. But no one in northern California would probably want a left liberal living among them.

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Thanks for your concern, but it's misplaced.

You sound Agnostic now.

I'm an agnostic atheist.

Do you believe that there is a possibility of Spiritual/Supernatural existence?

I don't know what you mean. To me, those arejust words that refer to nothing specific.

others cannot Convince a person of the Supernatural.

Then they can't convince me that they've experienced it.

 

[Elihoenai]

Superior only in your views.

Christian Gnosticism is Morally Superior to Baháʼí Faith in Practice. I Am Christian Ascetic Monk that is Celibate, Free From Drugs, Free From Alcohol and Vegan. You are Celibate and Free From Alcohol and Taking Drugs and eating anything your want. I'm Destroying the Body/Natural while you want to still enjoy the Natural.

Superior only in your views.
According to my view Christianity is now history so people who dwell on the teachings of Jesus are dwelling on the past.

I believe the past is gone and we are now living in a new age, the Age of Fulfillment, since Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the Bible prophecies or they are in the process of being fulfilled right now.

Also in Christendom Yeshua/Jesus is a figure of the past. The Historical Yeshua/Jesus does Not save anybody. Christian Gnostics are Outcast from Christendom Deemed Heretics by the Roman Catholic Church. Given that you see the Historic Yeshua/Jesus Reveals you have Roman Catholic Natural Interpretation of the Bible.

In Christian Gnosticism Yeshua/Jesus is Spiritual and Timeless with the Practitioners Becoming Yeshua/Jesus.


Gnosticism

Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός, romanized: gnōstikós, Koine Greek: [ɣnostiˈkos], 'having knowledge') is a collection of religious ideas and systems that coalesced in the late 1st century AD among Jewish and early Christian sects. These various groups emphasized personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) above the proto-orthodox teachings, traditions, and authority of religious institutions.

Gnosticism - Wikipedia

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Gnosticism, the Enduring Heresy

It does not have to be either Natural or Spiritual, because all of the Natural does not have to interfere with one's relationship with God.

Only a Select Few Transcend the Natural for the Spiritual and if those select few believe they are superior that goes against the teachings of Jesus on humility.

Galatians 5:17

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Yes, it does have to be either Spiritual or Natural. The Spiritual is Contrary to the Natural these being Diametrically Opposed. It appears you have a different understanding of the Spiritual. What does Spiritual mean to you?

That is an extreme view not to take any Pharmaceutical Drugs, as sometimes drugs are needed to maintain health. God is not a doctor.

"According to the explicit decree of Bahá'u'lláh one must not turn aside from the advice of a competent doctor. It is imperative to consult one even if the patient himself be a well-known and eminent physician. In short, the point is that you should maintain your health by consulting a highly-skilled physician." Apr 10, 2021
Lights of Guidance/Doctors - Bahaiworks, a library of works ...

Exodus 15:26

26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth thee.


Indeed I Am Ultra Extremist. It appears that me and you don't Believe in the same Elohim/God. It's the same Elohim/God manifesting in different ways to different people. Elohim/God is the Supreme Doctor/Physician that gives Thriving health Entirely Conditional on Obedience to Elohim/God. I'm totally Dependent on Elohim/God for my Good Health and Forbidden to use the State Health Service and/or Take Pharmaceutical Drugs.

You are correct in saying that your teaching is Only for a Select Few, so how will this teaching help anyone else but those select few?
What about the rest of humanity, don't they matter to you?

It's my Vocation to tell people what the Truth Is. They can either Accept or Reject the teaching. Elohim/God Ordains the Select Few that Accepts and the Masses that Rejects. Some people may choose to Accept some of my teachings and Reject others. Everything that happens is the Will of Elohim/God and Ordained by Elohim/God.

You are correct. Sex is Natural and not Spiritual. That is one reason why and I am against bodily pleasures for myself, but I do not judge others for their choices. Jesus said to judge not lest ye be judged.

Elohim/God is the Judge. You can show others and they choose to Accept or Reject.

In my opinion, nobody should be judged for their choices on how to live. I live a completely different lifestyle than most people, not only in rejecting the sexual norms, and I don't care what others think. I am not hurting anyone and It is MY life.

It is difficult being in a small minority but we each have to do what we think is right.

People are Judged for their choices all the time. A person may choose to be a Serial Killer, Rapist or Pedophile and are Rightly Judged as Evil and sometimes get Just Deserts Punishment with the Death Penalty or Prison Sentence.

It's Great Being Different and in the Minority Being the Only One in England practising this Strict Righteousness. Elohim/God Builds Strength through the Satanic Resistance of the Opposing Society.

What you call Recreational Sex in marriage does not have to deny the Spiritual, it depends upon the person and how much value they place on sex. I once placed too much value on sex so it intervened and that is when I decided to give it up.

Again, it appears we have different understanding of what Spiritual means. Sex is Natural and Contrary to the Spiritual. Sex Opposes the Spiritual.

Thanks. It is a good thing but it is a struggle, not because of anything Natural that is intervening between myself and God, but because of my thoughts and feelings about God.

What thoughts and fellings do you have about Elohim/God? You may want to keep this private.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I Am Christian Ascetic Monk that is Celibate, Free From Drugs, Free From Alcohol and Vegan. You are Celibate and Free From Alcohol and Taking Drugs and eating anything your want.

I'm guessing that you don't get invited to too many parties.

Have you heard about IV-gans? They go a step further than you and have stopped killing and eating vegetables altogether. They take their nutrition through an intravenous catheter. It doesn't get any more spiritual than that.

I'm Destroying the Body/Natural

Body and nature are good.

These various groups emphasized personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) above the proto-orthodox teachings, traditions, and authority of religious institutions.

You can see why the church didn't care for that. It kind of defeats the purpose of having organized religion.

I've decided that what "spiritual knowledge" means to the people who use the term is anything unorthodox that they choose to believe. It doesn't qualify as knowledge as I use the word. Knowledge is the collection of demonstrably correct ideas - the ideas that allow us to predict and manipulate ourselves and our environment to achieve desired results.

It's my Vocation to tell people what the Truth Is.

Same answer. Your zealously held beliefs are not truth, either.

it does have to be either Spiritual or Natural.

Worshiping spirits isn't spirituality. Authentic spirituality involves a connection to nature. What you are striving for is the opposite of that. Nature is where you were born and what fashioned you. It's the only reality you've ever known. You are made of its substances, which dance according to its laws. A worldview that disesteems that is not spiritual. It's the opposite. I'm comfortable and at home in my world. You're an alien in yours.

Sex is Natural and Contrary to the Spiritual. Sex Opposes the Spiritual.

Then you're doing it wrong. Spirituality is about connection and the warm feeling of belonging intermixed with a sense of mystery, awe, and gratitude. If you've never had that experience with another person, you've missed out on a lot, and you're hardly qualified to be giving others advice in that area.

 

[Muffled]

To be honest, other Christians could say the same about you and your preferred version of Christianity. However, I suspect that you won't accept that it is possible for you to be wrong, as these Christians you disagree with wouldn't believe that they are wrong either. Ironically, you and other Christians who hold opposing beliefs to yours are sure that you are both correct in your convictions, despite the fact that these varying convictions contradict each other.

I believe that believing one is right does not equate to being right. That is why I present evidence of what I believe. Not scientific evidence or legal evidence but real and imagined things that happen in this world. Webster's has a second definition of evidence: one who bears witness.

 

[Muffled]

How many people that you know, religious or not, believe that their thinking is wrong?

I believe I don't have a problem with those who think they are right as long as they will listen to my evidence instead of ignoring it or simply discounting it.

 

[Muffled]

Hey, god can't be wrong!

I believe you are incorrect god can be wrong but God can't be wrong. Too many people have god instead of God.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I believe you are incorrect god can be wrong but God can't be wrong. Too many people have god instead of God.

Regarding your belief that God can't be wrong, I'd like to revisit the questions I posed to you in another thread. I hope you'll answer them this time.

If God is never wrong about anything, then why does the Bible state that he regretted creating human beings as well as every animal, every creature that creeps on the ground, and the birds of the air (Genesis 6:6-7)? There are other scriptures in the Bible that highlight his other regrets in addition to creating humanity, as well as the animals and birds (1 Samuel 15:11; 2 Samuel 24:16; Jeremiah 42:10). Surely, an omniscient (Psalm 139:1–6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), and omnipresent (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17) God would know better than to create something that he would later regret creating. Wouldn't an all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present God know better than to repopulate the planet with the same morally flawed humans that he just annihilated in a global flood? Based on the verses that describe his omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence, the answer is apparently yes. He knew better, but he created humans anyway, well aware of the terrible consequences of his actions.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I believe that believing one is right does not equate to being right. That is why I present evidence of what I believe. Not scientific evidence or legal evidence but real and imagined things that happen in this world. Webster's has a second definition of evidence: one who bears witness.

Others who disagree with your preferred spiritual beliefs present evidence that they believe will support their own personal spiritual beliefs, just as you do.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I believe that believing one is right does not equate to being right. That is why I present evidence of what I believe.

Nobody has presented evidence that suggests a god exists according to the standards of critical analysis. The evidence generally offered is either scripture (generally prophecy), one of the medieval philosophical arguments (cosmological, teleological, moral), or complexity in nature, none of which does that. The scripture is mundane, the arguments fallacious, and the physical evidence is consistent with naturalism.

Not scientific evidence or legal evidence but real and imagined things that happen in this world.

Evidence is whatever is evident to the senses. They are the noun and adjective forms of the same word.

Once we become aware of a sight, a sound, a smell, a warm source, a tickle, etc., we have evidence. Immediately thereafter, memory (knowledge) and reason go to work to tell us what that evidence signifies.

Scientific evidence and legal evidence just refer to the context in which the evidence is being evaluated, but ultimately are the same thing as all other evidence: sensory stimulation interpreted.

And imagined things aren't evidence.

Webster's has a second definition of evidence: one who bears witness.

I found that. I wasn't expecting to. I have never encountered that usage. One who bears witness is a witness and provides testimony. which is evidence, but is the witness also evidence? "Will the evidence please take the stand to be sworn in" sounds wrong to me.

 

[2ndpillar]

Thanks for your concern, but it's misplaced.

No concern on my part. I just wanted to give you a heads up for what is coming, and why it is coming.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I just wanted to give you a heads up for what is coming, and why it is coming.

I say that your concern - and yes, warning somebody is expressing concern if the warning is sincere and not just mean-spirited gaslighting - it's misplaced because none of it was relevant to me. If YOU live in the States, maybe you might need to heed some of those warnings, but I don't live in America, I don't have a California retirement plan or any other American financial device, I'm not living in a recession, Trump's problems are irrelevant to me except as a spectacle to behold, and I have no need or desire to return to the States to visit much less to live.

And your depiction of the cartels and of Mexican life is cartoonish, but you come by it honestly. My in-laws also imbibe conservative indoctrination media and have similar opinions. They're also devout Christians like you. I think you'd like them.

 

[abokarem]

The Holy scriptures are sent to us, and God has given us the necessary tools through which we can understand those scriptures. The most important of these tools are: hearing, sight, heart, and mind. By activating these tools with objectivity and sincerity, we can achieve an understanding of the Lord’s messages.