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Universal Consciousness in the animal kingdom and intelligence in many advanced species.

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
There has been some mention of what is consciousness, when did consciousness begin and to what extent other animals other than humans have consciousness, I believe consciousness is universal with animals with a central nervous system at least, and evolved to be more complex over time. Some even propose that many invertebrates show attributes of consciousness,

The following is an example of advanced intelligence in Orangutans: In a first, an orangutan is seen using a medicinal plant to treat injury

Orangutan observed self-medicating to treat wound​

05-03-2024, 01:33 PM

Researchers working in Sumatra observed a wild orangutan tending to an open wound on his face. The male orangutan repeatedly rubbed chewed-up leaves of a plant that they normally don't have much to do with, but is known to have medicinal properties, on a facial wound, making it the first time such self-medicating has been clearly observed in a primate


Source: In a first, an orangutan was seen treating his wound with a medicinal plant

After an orangutan hurt his face, scientists observed him chewing a plant known to relieve pain and applying a paste made from the leaves to the injury.

240501-orangutan-vl-528p-eab4cb.jpg

A facial wound on Rakus, an adult flanged male orangutan, two days before he applied a plant paste to the wound​


An orangutan named Rakus hit a rough patch in the summer of 2022.

Researchers heard a fight between male orangutans in the treetops of a rainforest in Sumatra, Indonesia; a day later, they spotted Rakus sporting a pink wound below his right eyelid.

A chunk of flesh about the size and shape of a puzzle piece was missing. When Rakus, who is most likely in his 30s, belted out a long call, the researchers noticed another wound inside his mouth.

Over the next several days, researchers followed Rakus at a distance — and saw something so surprising they wound up reporting it in great detail in the journal Scientific Reports.

According to their study, published Thursday, Rakus was observed repeatedly chewing on the leaves of a particular liana plant over several days. The climbing vine is not a typical food for orangutans, but it is known to humans as a pain reliever.

On at least one occasion, Rakus made a paste from the chewed leaves and applied it to his face. It’s the first time an animal has been seen applying medicine to a skin wound.

“It’s the first documentation of external self-medication — the application of leaves, I would argue, as a poultice, like humans do to treat wounds and pains,” said Michael Huffman, an associate professor at the Wildlife Research Center at Kyoto University in Japan, who was not involved in the new study.

Rakus’ wound never showed signs of becoming infected, and it closed up within a week.

The discovery is new evidence that orangutans are able to identify and use pain-relieving plants. A growing body of research suggests other animal species also self-medicate, with varying levels of sophistication.

The researchers behind the study think that great apes’ ability to identify medicines and treat wounds could trace back to a shared ancestor with humans.

New evidence that orangutans self-medicate

The discovery was possible only because Rakus spends his days in a protected area of rainforest called the Suaq Balimbing research area, in Indonesia’s Gunung Leuser National Park.

Researchers have been observing orangutans there since 1994. Today, about 150 call the area home. Rakus, who was first observed there in 2009, is either a resident or a frequent visitor.

Scientists often follow an individual orangutan in the area from early morning — when it leaves its night nest — until it builds a new night nest about 12 hours later.

“We don’t disturb the orangutan,” said an author of the new study, Isabelle Laumer, a primatologist and cognitive biologist at the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in Germany. “They completely tolerate us following them.”

Laumer said that researchers had never before observed orangutans in the area self-medicating like Rakus did and that it was not clear how he developed the behavior.

It’s possible Rakus learned to treat his wound through “individual innovation,” Laumer said, after he accidentally touched a finger to a wound with the pain-relieving leaf juice. Or he may have learned the behavior culturally, from other orangutans, early in life.

Orangutans learn socially and have been shown to be capable with tools. They develop sophisticated knowledge of foods from their mothers.

“They learn a lot about, for example, what types of fruit to eat, where to find them, when to find them, when they are ripe, how to process them,” Laumer said. “Some orangutans feed on up to 400 different plants. … This is quite some intensive knowledge that they actually need to acquire.”
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There has been some mention of what is consciousness, when did consciousness begin and to what extent other animals other than humans have consciousness, I believe consciousness is universal with animals with a central nervous system at least, and evolved to be more complex over time. Some even propose that many invertebrates show attributes of consciousness,

The following is an example of advanced intelligence in Orangutans: In a first, an orangutan is seen using a medicinal plant to treat injury

Orangutan observed self-medicating to treat wound​

05-03-2024, 01:33 PM

Researchers working in Sumatra observed a wild orangutan tending to an open wound on his face. The male orangutan repeatedly rubbed chewed-up leaves of a plant that they normally don't have much to do with, but is known to have medicinal properties, on a facial wound, making it the first time such self-medicating has been clearly observed in a primate


Source: In a first, an orangutan was seen treating his wound with a medicinal plant

After an orangutan hurt his face, scientists observed him chewing a plant known to relieve pain and applying a paste made from the leaves to the injury.

240501-orangutan-vl-528p-eab4cb.jpg

A facial wound on Rakus, an adult flanged male orangutan, two days before he applied a plant paste to the wound​


An orangutan named Rakus hit a rough patch in the summer of 2022.

Researchers heard a fight between male orangutans in the treetops of a rainforest in Sumatra, Indonesia; a day later, they spotted Rakus sporting a pink wound below his right eyelid.

A chunk of flesh about the size and shape of a puzzle piece was missing. When Rakus, who is most likely in his 30s, belted out a long call, the researchers noticed another wound inside his mouth.

Over the next several days, researchers followed Rakus at a distance — and saw something so surprising they wound up reporting it in great detail in the journal Scientific Reports.

According to their study, published Thursday, Rakus was observed repeatedly chewing on the leaves of a particular liana plant over several days. The climbing vine is not a typical food for orangutans, but it is known to humans as a pain reliever.

On at least one occasion, Rakus made a paste from the chewed leaves and applied it to his face. It’s the first time an animal has been seen applying medicine to a skin wound.

“It’s the first documentation of external self-medication — the application of leaves, I would argue, as a poultice, like humans do to treat wounds and pains,” said Michael Huffman, an associate professor at the Wildlife Research Center at Kyoto University in Japan, who was not involved in the new study.

Rakus’ wound never showed signs of becoming infected, and it closed up within a week.

The discovery is new evidence that orangutans are able to identify and use pain-relieving plants. A growing body of research suggests other animal species also self-medicate, with varying levels of sophistication.

The researchers behind the study think that great apes’ ability to identify medicines and treat wounds could trace back to a shared ancestor with humans.

New evidence that orangutans self-medicate

The discovery was possible only because Rakus spends his days in a protected area of rainforest called the Suaq Balimbing research area, in Indonesia’s Gunung Leuser National Park.

Researchers have been observing orangutans there since 1994. Today, about 150 call the area home. Rakus, who was first observed there in 2009, is either a resident or a frequent visitor.

Scientists often follow an individual orangutan in the area from early morning — when it leaves its night nest — until it builds a new night nest about 12 hours later.

“We don’t disturb the orangutan,” said an author of the new study, Isabelle Laumer, a primatologist and cognitive biologist at the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in Germany. “They completely tolerate us following them.”

Laumer said that researchers had never before observed orangutans in the area self-medicating like Rakus did and that it was not clear how he developed the behavior.

It’s possible Rakus learned to treat his wound through “individual innovation,” Laumer said, after he accidentally touched a finger to a wound with the pain-relieving leaf juice. Or he may have learned the behavior culturally, from other orangutans, early in life.

Orangutans learn socially and have been shown to be capable with tools. They develop sophisticated knowledge of foods from their mothers.

“They learn a lot about, for example, what types of fruit to eat, where to find them, when to find them, when they are ripe, how to process them,” Laumer said. “Some orangutans feed on up to 400 different plants. … This is quite some intensive knowledge that they actually need to acquire.”
Just think. Rakus is essentally a real doctor in the world of wild primates. I'm going to call him Dr. Rakus!
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I tink it is accepted by many that sea mammals are intelligent, but most do not know how intelligent.

Whale language is learned and sophisticated to the point that different pods have different dialects,

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Whales, including orcas (also known as killer whales), use a variety of sounds to communicate, including clicks, whistles, and calls. These sounds are unique to each pod, or family, of orcas and are part of a vocalization system called a dialect. Orcas learn their family's dialect before birth by hearing their mothers' sounds in the womb, and they are also capable of vocal learning. For example, Southern Resident killer whales have three distinct dialects, one for each of their pods, but some calls are common across all three pods.
Whales use communication for many reasons, including hunting, navigation, differentiating between pods, and coordinating social hierarchy. For example, researchers have recorded calls that may mean something like "Where are you?", "We're over here", or "Come on, it's time to go". However, it's unknown if orca language has grammar and syntax, and it's difficult for researchers to analyze whale communication without the help of a bilingual person. Some researchers are using artificial intelligence (AI) to help decode whale sounds. For example, one team of researchers is using algorithms to analyze millions of orca calls and compare them with behavioral patterns. Another team of researchers, in collaboration with AI researchers, has identified a phonetic alphabet for sperm whales.

There is an interesting trend of Orcas recently attacking boats. I wonder what has made them angry? From my perspective they have good reasons to be angry.
 

Madsaac

Active Member
Yeah interesting topic.

What about instinct or intuition and the relationship with consciousness? And in regards to the evolution of various species.

Does instinct and consciousness exists on a spectrum; self awareness at one extreme and simple reaction at the other.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Yeah interesting topic.

What about instinct or intuition and the relationship with consciousness? And in regards to the evolution of various species.

Does instinct and consciousness exists on a spectrum; self awareness at one extreme and simple reaction at the other.
Yes, I may address this in more detail in the future.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Yeah interesting topic.

What about instinct or intuition and the relationship with consciousness? And in regards to the evolution of various species.

Does instinct and consciousness exists on a spectrum; self awareness at one extreme and simple reaction at the other.
I will provide some references concerning the theory of instinct, but for now I would like to propose some comments for discussion.

The coherent theory of evolved instinct based on survival was first proposed by Charles Darwin. The instinct behavior This began the conflict between the traditional belief of many for Libertarian Free Will believers, and rise of determinism.

The evolution of Instinct underlying our behavior has a purpose of assuring the survival and reproduce. Instinct dominates the behavior of simpler and more primitive life. The evolution of intelligence also plays a role in survival as the complexity of the brain increases.

The problem of Natural Determinism vs Libertarian Free Will is an important issue in modern evolutionary behavior and religious beliefs, I use Natural Determinism, to differentiate it from hard mechanistic Determinism, and reject the extremes of either view based on the proposal of Limited Potential Free Will that takes into consideration the Theory of Instinct and other factors that limit our Freedom of Choice, This view does not negate Freedom of Choice nor rigidly define our limits of Freedom of Choice,

What is the nature of underlying instinct behavior that relates to our degree of Freedom of Choice,
 

Madsaac

Active Member
I will provide some references concerning the theory of instinct, but for now I would like to propose some comments for discussion.

The coherent theory of evolved instinct based on survival was first proposed by Charles Darwin. The instinct behavior This began the conflict between the traditional belief of many for Libertarian Free Will believers, and rise of determinism.

The evolution of Instinct underlying our behavior has a purpose of assuring the survival and reproduce. Instinct dominates the behavior of simpler and more primitive life. The evolution of intelligence also plays a role in survival as the complexity of the brain increases.

The problem of Natural Determinism vs Libertarian Free Will is an important issue in modern evolutionary behavior and religious beliefs, I use Natural Determinism, to differentiate it from hard mechanistic Determinism, and reject the extremes of either view based on the proposal of Limited Potential Free Will that takes into consideration the Theory of Instinct and other factors that limit our Freedom of Choice, This view does not negate Freedom of Choice nor rigidly define our limits of Freedom of Choice,

What is the nature of underlying instinct behavior that relates to our degree of Freedom of Choice,

Much of what people and animals do each day is arbitrary, many of the actions and choices are largely meaningless and irreflective. And these meaningless actions and choices begin with the brain, as do all choices.

Maybe the level of intelligence or consciousness an animals possesses, including humans helps with the understanding of the 'concept' of free will. This may suggest, that when we are confronted with more complex decisions, that we go through a more complex series of choices, like Rakus.

But this agency and sense of responsibility are not supernatural, they happen in the mechanics of the brain. The workings of the mind and brain are incredibly complex and the degree of complexity reflects the species of animal, but each animals brain is still a 'machine' that has evolved to enhance this species survival capabilities.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
There has been some mention of what is consciousness, when did consciousness begin and to what extent other animals other than humans have consciousness, I believe consciousness is universal with animals with a central nervous system at least, and evolved to be more complex over time. Some even propose that many invertebrates show attributes of consciousness,

It is true that some invertebrates showed consciousness (as well as intelligence), but it does not apply to all invertebrates.

I am not expert in invertebrates, but the octopuses (order Octopoda) are not only conscious mollusc (phylum Mollusca), these creatures are the most intelligent of the invertebrates. Not all molluscs exhibited consciousness.

The phylum Anthropoda are different groupings of invertebrates that have segment bodies with cuticles made of chitin that covered their bodies that served as exoskeleton.

Marine arthropods were among the earliest arthropod species, that appeared in fossil record since the Cambrian period, such as the families & species of trilobites (class Trilobita). But more extant (and obvious) marine arthropods would include the crustaceans (subpylum Crustacea), such crabs, lobsters, shrimps, etc, are known to exhibit some levels of consciousness.

by the time, arthropods ventured into land, these terrestrial arthropods are known today as spiders (order Araneae) and insects (class Insecta)…they too exhibited consciousness. Some of the families of insects have grown wings and so are capable of flight.

There are many more invertebrates that I don’t much about, and even the ones I did mention, are only just fraction of vast world of invertebrates.

But there are certainly other invertebrates that don’t have central nervous systems, so animals like sponges (phylum Porifera) are not conscious…and the earliest and primitive families of sponges have existed as early as the Ediacaran period, prior to the Cambrian. Sponges are among the earliest multicellular animals...there might be other earlier multicellular animals, but you would have to ask someone else (who are more knowledgeable than me) about them.

Note that all the invertebrates that I have mentioned, are all broad groupings or taxon, such as phyla, subphyla, classes, orders, etc…I have not name any by genera & species. There are just too many to name.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Much of what people and animals do each day is arbitrary, many of the actions and choices are largely meaningless and irreflective. And these meaningless actions and choices begin with the brain, as do all choices.
No
Maybe the level of intelligence or consciousness an animals possesses, including humans helps with the understanding of the 'concept' of free will. This may suggest, that when we are confronted with more complex decisions, that we go through a more complex series of choices, like Rakus.
Not clear in terms of the science of human nad animal behavior.
But this agency and sense of responsibility are not supernatural, they happen in the mechanics of the brain. The workings of the mind and brain are incredibly complex and the degree of complexity reflects the species of animal, but each animals brain is still a 'machine' that has evolved to enhance this species survival capabilities.

I avoid the concept of machine here,
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Does instinct and consciousness exists on a spectrum; self awareness at one extreme and simple reaction at the other.

From what i understand about instinct, is that it is reaction to stimuli…there are certain patterns of behaviour, to make a human or other non-human animal “react”. Such actions are deemed to be innate, as well as being “natural“.

Consciousness or self-awareness are natural too.

What I don’t see, is why you think to put them in spectrum?
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
There has been some mention of what is consciousness, when did consciousness begin and to what extent other animals other than humans have consciousness, I believe consciousness is universal with animals with a central nervous system at least, and evolved to be more complex over time. Some even propose that many invertebrates show attributes of consciousness,

The following is an example of advanced intelligence in Orangutans: In a first, an orangutan is seen using a medicinal plant to treat injury

Orangutan observed self-medicating to treat wound​

05-03-2024, 01:33 PM

Researchers working in Sumatra observed a wild orangutan tending to an open wound on his face. The male orangutan repeatedly rubbed chewed-up leaves of a plant that they normally don't have much to do with, but is known to have medicinal properties, on a facial wound, making it the first time such self-medicating has been clearly observed in a primate


Source: In a first, an orangutan was seen treating his wound with a medicinal plant

After an orangutan hurt his face, scientists observed him chewing a plant known to relieve pain and applying a paste made from the leaves to the injury.

240501-orangutan-vl-528p-eab4cb.jpg

A facial wound on Rakus, an adult flanged male orangutan, two days before he applied a plant paste to the wound​


An orangutan named Rakus hit a rough patch in the summer of 2022.

Researchers heard a fight between male orangutans in the treetops of a rainforest in Sumatra, Indonesia; a day later, they spotted Rakus sporting a pink wound below his right eyelid.

A chunk of flesh about the size and shape of a puzzle piece was missing. When Rakus, who is most likely in his 30s, belted out a long call, the researchers noticed another wound inside his mouth.

Over the next several days, researchers followed Rakus at a distance — and saw something so surprising they wound up reporting it in great detail in the journal Scientific Reports.

According to their study, published Thursday, Rakus was observed repeatedly chewing on the leaves of a particular liana plant over several days. The climbing vine is not a typical food for orangutans, but it is known to humans as a pain reliever.

On at least one occasion, Rakus made a paste from the chewed leaves and applied it to his face. It’s the first time an animal has been seen applying medicine to a skin wound.

“It’s the first documentation of external self-medication — the application of leaves, I would argue, as a poultice, like humans do to treat wounds and pains,” said Michael Huffman, an associate professor at the Wildlife Research Center at Kyoto University in Japan, who was not involved in the new study.

Rakus’ wound never showed signs of becoming infected, and it closed up within a week.

The discovery is new evidence that orangutans are able to identify and use pain-relieving plants. A growing body of research suggests other animal species also self-medicate, with varying levels of sophistication.

The researchers behind the study think that great apes’ ability to identify medicines and treat wounds could trace back to a shared ancestor with humans.

New evidence that orangutans self-medicate

The discovery was possible only because Rakus spends his days in a protected area of rainforest called the Suaq Balimbing research area, in Indonesia’s Gunung Leuser National Park.

Researchers have been observing orangutans there since 1994. Today, about 150 call the area home. Rakus, who was first observed there in 2009, is either a resident or a frequent visitor.

Scientists often follow an individual orangutan in the area from early morning — when it leaves its night nest — until it builds a new night nest about 12 hours later.

“We don’t disturb the orangutan,” said an author of the new study, Isabelle Laumer, a primatologist and cognitive biologist at the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in Germany. “They completely tolerate us following them.”

Laumer said that researchers had never before observed orangutans in the area self-medicating like Rakus did and that it was not clear how he developed the behavior.

It’s possible Rakus learned to treat his wound through “individual innovation,” Laumer said, after he accidentally touched a finger to a wound with the pain-relieving leaf juice. Or he may have learned the behavior culturally, from other orangutans, early in life.

Orangutans learn socially and have been shown to be capable with tools. They develop sophisticated knowledge of foods from their mothers.

“They learn a lot about, for example, what types of fruit to eat, where to find them, when to find them, when they are ripe, how to process them,” Laumer said. “Some orangutans feed on up to 400 different plants. … This is quite some intensive knowledge that they actually need to acquire.”
Do you think that consciousness is required in order to have intelligence?

Ciao

- viole
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
There is an interesting trend of Orcas recently attacking boats. I wonder what has made them angry? From my perspective they have good reasons to be angry.

Possibly not angry ...
Scientist finally explains why killer whales keep attacking boats in Gibraltar

Now, leading marine biologist Alex Zerbini, chair of the scientific committee at the International Whaling Commission (IWC) and a member of a working group put together by the Spanish and Portuguese governments, says the killer whale behaviour is most likely to be a new “cultural tradition” without an obvious purpose.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
Possibly not angry ...
Scientist finally explains why killer whales keep attacking boats in Gibraltar

Now, leading marine biologist Alex Zerbini, chair of the scientific committee at the International Whaling Commission (IWC) and a member of a working group put together by the Spanish and Portuguese governments, says the killer whale behaviour is most likely to be a new “cultural tradition” without an obvious purpose.
That said there was a documented and filmed event of the north Atlantic where a boat injured a orca and the others responded immediately to the injured orca than capsized the boat that injured the whale.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
There has been some mention of what is consciousness, when did consciousness begin and to what extent other animals other than humans have consciousness, I believe consciousness is universal with animals with a central nervous system at least, and evolved to be more complex over time. Some even propose that many invertebrates show attributes of consciousness,

The following is an example of advanced intelligence in Orangutans: In a first, an orangutan is seen using a medicinal plant to treat injury

Orangutan observed self-medicating to treat wound​

05-03-2024, 01:33 PM

Researchers working in Sumatra observed a wild orangutan tending to an open wound on his face. The male orangutan repeatedly rubbed chewed-up leaves of a plant that they normally don't have much to do with, but is known to have medicinal properties, on a facial wound, making it the first time such self-medicating has been clearly observed in a primate


Source: In a first, an orangutan was seen treating his wound with a medicinal plant

After an orangutan hurt his face, scientists observed him chewing a plant known to relieve pain and applying a paste made from the leaves to the injury.

240501-orangutan-vl-528p-eab4cb.jpg

A facial wound on Rakus, an adult flanged male orangutan, two days before he applied a plant paste to the wound​


An orangutan named Rakus hit a rough patch in the summer of 2022.

Researchers heard a fight between male orangutans in the treetops of a rainforest in Sumatra, Indonesia; a day later, they spotted Rakus sporting a pink wound below his right eyelid.

A chunk of flesh about the size and shape of a puzzle piece was missing. When Rakus, who is most likely in his 30s, belted out a long call, the researchers noticed another wound inside his mouth.

Over the next several days, researchers followed Rakus at a distance — and saw something so surprising they wound up reporting it in great detail in the journal Scientific Reports.

According to their study, published Thursday, Rakus was observed repeatedly chewing on the leaves of a particular liana plant over several days. The climbing vine is not a typical food for orangutans, but it is known to humans as a pain reliever.

On at least one occasion, Rakus made a paste from the chewed leaves and applied it to his face. It’s the first time an animal has been seen applying medicine to a skin wound.

“It’s the first documentation of external self-medication — the application of leaves, I would argue, as a poultice, like humans do to treat wounds and pains,” said Michael Huffman, an associate professor at the Wildlife Research Center at Kyoto University in Japan, who was not involved in the new study.

Rakus’ wound never showed signs of becoming infected, and it closed up within a week.

The discovery is new evidence that orangutans are able to identify and use pain-relieving plants. A growing body of research suggests other animal species also self-medicate, with varying levels of sophistication.

The researchers behind the study think that great apes’ ability to identify medicines and treat wounds could trace back to a shared ancestor with humans.

New evidence that orangutans self-medicate

The discovery was possible only because Rakus spends his days in a protected area of rainforest called the Suaq Balimbing research area, in Indonesia’s Gunung Leuser National Park.

Researchers have been observing orangutans there since 1994. Today, about 150 call the area home. Rakus, who was first observed there in 2009, is either a resident or a frequent visitor.

Scientists often follow an individual orangutan in the area from early morning — when it leaves its night nest — until it builds a new night nest about 12 hours later.

“We don’t disturb the orangutan,” said an author of the new study, Isabelle Laumer, a primatologist and cognitive biologist at the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in Germany. “They completely tolerate us following them.”

Laumer said that researchers had never before observed orangutans in the area self-medicating like Rakus did and that it was not clear how he developed the behavior.

It’s possible Rakus learned to treat his wound through “individual innovation,” Laumer said, after he accidentally touched a finger to a wound with the pain-relieving leaf juice. Or he may have learned the behavior culturally, from other orangutans, early in life.

Orangutans learn socially and have been shown to be capable with tools. They develop sophisticated knowledge of foods from their mothers.

“They learn a lot about, for example, what types of fruit to eat, where to find them, when to find them, when they are ripe, how to process them,” Laumer said. “Some orangutans feed on up to 400 different plants. … This is quite some intensive knowledge that they actually need to acquire.”
One of the problems on animal consciousness has been the position of our current science model where acceptance of consciousness is so dependent on communication thus often automatically denies it to anything other than humans unless Dr. Doolittle is around. The article below looks into ways of identifying animal consciousness and presents an alternative to the null hypothesis that there is no consciousness in animals until evidence shows otherwise and switches it to all animal have consciousness unless demonstrated that they do not. There are a growing number of scientists who are willing to accept this but they still appear in the minority. The only humans can do list is eroding as in this case of the orangutan but we are still far from where we should be in my opinion and accept we share more with animals than most want to believe.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/mila.12498
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Possibly not angry ...
Scientist finally explains why killer whales keep attacking boats in Gibraltar

Now, leading marine biologist Alex Zerbini, chair of the scientific committee at the International Whaling Commission (IWC) and a member of a working group put together by the Spanish and Portuguese governments, says the killer whale behaviour is most likely to be a new “cultural tradition” without an obvious purpose.

I was reading about that this morning.

The article I read mentioned they have a better food supply, thus spend less time hunting and more time playing. Saying its basically a game/mischief of younger whales.


Edit.. This is what I read this morning...

"The report reveals that a combination of free time, curiosity and natural playfulness has led to young orcas adopting this 'trend' of boat-bumping, which is not at all surprising for a species that has been known to adopt odd, isolated behaviors from time to time.

In recent years, a dramatic recovery in the population of bluefin tuna in the region has been a win for a group of about 40 critically endangered Iberian killer whales that feed exclusively on the large fish. This has meant they've cut down their time spent foraging, leaving space for other 'hobbies.'

 
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