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Universal salvation

Do all Christians believe in the concept of "universal salvation" or do you suppose that some people are destined to go to hell from the outset?

Are there any Christian sects or denominations which believe that redemption or salvation is the privilege of only a few, purgatory is for others, and eternal damnation is for the rest of humankind?

Are there any mainstream Christian churches and organisations which advocate calvinism as opposed to the doctrine of "universal salvation"?

I would appreciate a definitive answer from a senior clergy in the Church of Rome or one of the Reformed churches in North America, Europe, and Australia.
 
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dan p

Member
Do all Christians believe in the concept of "universal salvation" or do you suppose that some people are destined to go to hell from the outset?

Are there any Christian sects or denominations which believe that redemption or salvation is the privilege of only a few, purgatory is for others, and eternal damnation is for the rest of humankind?

Are there any mainstream Christian churches and organisations which advocate calvinism as opposed to the doctrine of "universal salvation"?

I would appreciate a definitive answer from a senior clergy in the Church of Rome or one of the Reformed churches in North America, Europe, and Australia.

Hi BK , and they are both in mainstream christianity and many believers trust and believe in Universal Reconciliation where all mankind will eventually be saved after a short spell in the Lake of Fire or a short Purgatory stay , similar to RCC .

So , lets eat , drink , and be merry for tomorrow we die .

Calvinism , believe that Jesus only died for the elect .
 

stlekee

Fool for Wisdom
Not all christians believe in 'Hell'. Or in the Devil. Christianity is a monotheistic religion, only one God, no bad God here. All these ideas of election came long after Jesus and have nothing to do with his message, just more stuff to keep us diverted from the real deal
 

dan p

Member
Not all christians believe in 'Hell'. Or in the Devil. Christianity is a monotheistic religion, only one God, no bad God here. All these ideas of election came long after Jesus and have nothing to do with his message, just more stuff to keep us diverted from the real deal

Hi atekee , and in Eph 1:4 According as He CHOSEN/CALLED / ELECTED all mean the same thing , BEFORE the foundation of the world .

Then in 2:9 we have another election with a holy CALLING / CHOOSSING /ELECTING us BEFORE the foundation of the WORLD .

This means that brfore He made the universe , He ELECTED the Body of Christ .

It is true that many christians say that they do not believe in Hell , the deity of Christ , so what is new ??
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Mostly simple folks around here.

Tell me, what do you mean by universal salvation?

Do you mean it's available to all no matter what?

or...

That it's available to all but it comes with conditions?

I'd say that the vast majority of the Christian world believes in Heaven and Hell. As for believing in the elect......that's mostly a protestant thing and even in the protestant world it's not necessarily dominant. Most high churches like Anglican, Episcopal, RC and Orthodox hold very similar views in regards to salvation.
 

stlekee

Fool for Wisdom
Hi Dan P. You seem to have focused on the choosen/elect verses from the bible. I have a question for you, where does hell come from? In the Genesis creation story, there is mention of the creation of Heaven and Earth and all things, but NO reference to the creation of anyplace like hell. So what's up?
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Do all Christians believe in the concept of "universal salvation" or do you suppose that some people are destined to go to hell from the outset?
Those are not the only options... I neither believe in universal salvation, nor do I believe that people are destined to torment from their creation.

Are there any Christian sects or denominations which believe that redemption or salvation is the privilege of only a few, purgatory is for others, and eternal damnation is for the rest of humankind?
I imagine you might find someone who believes anything... but that would show a rather faulty understanding of purgatory.
 

dan p

Member
Hi Dan P. You seem to have focused on the choosen/elect verses from the bible. I have a question for you, where does hell come from? In the Genesis creation story, there is mention of the creation of Heaven and Earth and all things, but NO reference to the creation of anyplace like hell. So what's up?

Hi stlekee , and there are many references to Hell in the bible and here is one !

Check out Matt 25:41 , Depart from me , ye cursed into everlasting fire , PREPARED for the devil and his angels .

So , I believe it was at creation , since the Greek word prepared is in the Greek Perfect Tense , which means Past Action with Continuing results .
 

uu_sage

Active Member
I'm a Christian Universalist in the United Church of Christ (UCC). As Universalists we span the theological and political spectrum from very liberal/liberal to more conservative. I am in the class of Universalists known as restorationists. Restorationists believe that people will spend time in purgatory or a temporary hell to be cleansed of sin and aimlessness before we are reconciled to God. Others are called the "Death and Glory" school because they believe everyone will be instantly reconciled to God at death. I personally hold a unitarian Godhead while my sisters and brothers in Christ may hold a Trinitarian or Binitarian views. We Universalists can be found in all denominations including the Catholic church, liberal and mainline churches like mine, and others can be found in more typical "evangelical" or fundamentalist churches. We believe that a God who we know as Father could never be capable of condemning or allowing his creation to be sent to an infinite place, of infinite suffering, for an infinite time for finite sins against an infinite God.
All Souls, Christian or not, will eventually be reconciled to God in due time according to God's purposes. To us, God is love and God is loving but God will hold people accountable for sin, and punishment is restorative not punitive and everlasting. God is able, and will reconcile the whole creation. Those who are Calvinists or Arminians can be found mostly in more conservative/evangelical or fundy churches. The Calvinists fall in the Reformed Church tradition. The Arminians claim that God should be able to save all souls but is not able to (meaning that humans are more powerful than God). Calvinists, however, believe that God is able to save all souls, but is not wanting to (meaning that God is indifferent and doesn't care for the creation). Both systems (Calvinism and Arminianism) believe in hell, and that the same number are going there but they differ over the method of how that decision is made. Calvinists rely on God's providential election, while the Arminians believe that it is by the person's choice. Both these systems do not proclaim God's success in terms of reconciling the whole human family. Calvinism gives God a 50 percent rate of success while Arminians give God a 90 percent rate of success. If God is unable to reconcile even soul, then God is a failure. God can only be successful if a 100 percent of creation is saved and reconciled.
Do all Christians believe in the concept of "universal salvation" or do you suppose that some people are destined to go to hell from the outset?

Are there any Christian sects or denominations which believe that redemption or salvation is the privilege of only a few, purgatory is for others, and eternal damnation is for the rest of humankind?

Are there any mainstream Christian churches and organisations which advocate calvinism as opposed to the doctrine of "universal salvation"?

I would appreciate a definitive answer from a senior clergy in the Church of Rome or one of the Reformed churches in North America, Europe, and Australia.
 
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