University poll finds most Americans fear the “Deep State”

[Shaul]

And?

And nothing. But it remains for you to reconcile with the majority since the majority rules in our form of government.

 

[Shaul]

Instead of right wing media I should have said fox news. Hope that clarifies.

I wouldn’t know, I rarely see Fox News.

 

[Shaul]

How do you answer the poll question cited in the OP?

Um, I am the OP. I would answer that I am agnostic on the question.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I don't exactly feel assurance when the majority of Americans think a thing these days. Ad pop is a definite fallacy. One that is actually arguable as one. It's not like more vague fallacies one might argue can be shown fallacious or not. It clearly is one.

Can the majority hold a wrong opinion?

 

[Woberts]

And nothing. But it remains for you to reconcile with the majority since the majority rules in our form of government.

You're right. Because the majority thinks that there is a deep state, it must be true. Bow down to our Illuminati overlords!

 

[tytlyf]

Are they worse than George Soros?

Tons worse. RW propaganda has brainwashed everyone about Soros. But feel free to point out anything you disagree with concerning Soros.

 

[Shaul]

You're right. Because the majority thinks that there is a deep state, it must be true. Bow down to our Illuminati overlords!

Or... since you still think the majority is wrong you should work until they see the truth that, apparently, only people as awesome as you can see. So the majority needs to “bow down you our Illuminati overload”. Or not.

 

[Shaul]

Tons worse. RW propaganda has brainwashed everyone about Soros. But feel free to point out anything you disagree with concerning Soros.

Yes, cause the left wing boogie man Koch brothers are waaaay worse than George Soros who made billions trading on currency of countries whose economies he wrecked through manipulation.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Yes, because they best indicator of authority is whether you have heard of something.

Putting words in people's mouths again, I see.

 

[Shaul]

Putting words in people's mouths again, I see.

Did you did you hear someone say that? Because I’ve heard that the best indicator of authority is whether you have heard of something.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Did you did you hear someone say that? Because I’ve heard that the best indicator of authority is whether you have heard of something.

And again.

Go and read what I said again, oy this time try doing so without the persecution fantasy that everyone is attacking you.

 

[Shaul]

And again.

Go and read what I said again, oy this time try doing so without the persecution fantasy that everyone is attacking you.

Ok, so when you posted, “Never heard of Monmouth University before” That has no bearing whatsoever on whether this poll was right nor wrong. Glad we agree on that.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Ok, so when you posted, “Never heard of Monmouth University before” That has no bearing whatsoever on whether this poll was right nor wrong. Glad we agree on that.

See? Wasn't that hard, was it?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I still fail to understand why people are so worried about the state doing it when corporations like Facebook and Google, Target and Amazon, are far worse when it comes to collecting, mining, and selling your data and information. Apparently, it's not ok if the state does it, but it's ok for a company to do it to make money.

 

[idav]

I still fail to understand why people are so worried about the state doing it when corporations like Facebook and Google, Target and Amazon, are far worse when it comes to collecting, mining, and selling your data and information. Apparently, it's not ok if the state does it, but it's ok for a company to do it to make money.

Its not ok for any entity to be collecting and mining personal information. Those companies don't sell personal information they sell whats called metadata but nevertheless the selling to advertisers is still highly controversial as is the Patriot Act.

 

[Shaul]

See? Wasn't that hard, was it?

Actually it apparently was hard for you to admit your original comment was gratuitous. Though who knows why.

 

[Stevicus]

I still fail to understand why people are so worried about the state doing it when corporations like Facebook and Google, Target and Amazon, are far worse when it comes to collecting, mining, and selling your data and information. Apparently, it's not ok if the state does it, but it's ok for a company to do it to make money.

I suppose it would largely depend on where the authorization to collect data comes from. People agree to terms of service and are presumably made aware of a company's privacy policies when they sign up for a service, which is always optional. One can use a Tor browser and other search sites like Duck Duck Go to avoid Google.

If the State does it, then (unless I'm mistaken) the Constitution requires that they have probable cause and a warrant to search somebody. But then again, Hoover's FBI conducted surveillance on people, put in bugs/wiretaps - not because they wanted hard evidence to be used in court, but just to gain information, political attitudes, rumors, innuendo, etc. The NSA tapped into phone lines as well. During the Cold War, such surveillance activities were justified for reasons of national security.

That's why Watergate was so egregious, since they were using all that State apparatus for political gain. The fear of the "deep state" may be related to the ever-present possibility that others could unscrupulously use that apparatus for political gain. I don't think America's Founders really envisioned the depth and scope of many of the responsibilities and tasks today's government has taken on for itself.

100 years ago, the NSA, FBI, and CIA didn't even exist. These agencies grew by leaps and bounds after WW2, and much of what they do is outside of the public's knowledge. Even other branches and agencies in government don't really know what they're doing. It's all top secret. Presumably, there's some oversight and checks and balances in place to keep these agencies "honest," so to speak. But it might give some people cause to worry, considering the amount of damage they can do if they ever do get out of hand.

 

[tytlyf]

Yes, cause the left wing boogie man Koch brothers are waaaay worse than George Soros who made billions trading on currency of countries whose economies he wrecked through manipulation.

Do you understand who the Koch's are and how many organizations/think tanks they run? They are heavy insider republican establishment.
So I'll ask again, what do you hate about Soros? Post a link.

 

[tytlyf]

I still fail to understand why people are so worried about the state doing it when corporations like Facebook and Google, Target and Amazon, are far worse when it comes to collecting, mining, and selling your data and information. Apparently, it's not ok if the state does it, but it's ok for a company to do it to make money.

The difference with Cambridge is that they target vulnerable conservative American's with propaganda and disinformation with the hopes of fooling them. Using propaganda intentionally and understanding the mind of the conservative. Bannon, Breitbart, Rush, Fox, NRA, all do the same thing.

Modern day propagandists.