Updated version of why I don't accept Bahai Faith.

[CG Didymus]

Anyways, Rumi is confirmed by Abdulbaha, so, i have no doubt.

Really? A prophet? But not a manifestation? So, like Isaiah or Jeremiah in the Bible? If so, who else? Any Christians? Maybe Joseph Smith? Or Billy Graham? Or William Miller? Or Martin Luther? Anybody?

I have not read this, is it untranslated?

I've never read it, or heard any Baha'i ever say it.

Rumi is not confirmed as a "prophet" by Abdul-Baha, remember my challenge from post #268? You still have not met it in my view.

Can't wait to hear the answer.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Really? A prophet? But not a manifestation? So, like Isaiah or Jeremiah in the Bible? If so, who else? Any Christians? Maybe Joseph Smith? Or Billy Graham? Or William Miller? Or Martin Luther? Anybody?

I've never read it, or heard any Baha'i ever say it.

Can't wait to hear the answer.

CG. @InvestigateTruth is able to read the originals, much which is yet to have translations. I would be confident what has been offered, is reliable.

Personally I see it is quite logical and reasonable that Rumi can be seen in this light, Baha'u'llah quotes him often.

Also there is much offered about Prophets / Messengers / Manifestation and it is also offered that in the future historians will most likely determine who was inspired by God and who was most likely not.

The key is, it is not the need of our age, the need for our age is unity, not academic sundry pursuits.

Regards Tony

 

[danieldemol]

The key is, it is not the need of our age, the need for our age is unity, not academic sundry pursuits.

Regards Tony

Really? Since humans don't seem to be able to be wholly united upon an untruth it would seem that a pre-requisite to unity is academic sundry pursuits in order to determine what the truth of each matter is to me.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Really? Since humans don't seem to be able to be wholly united upon an untruth it would seem that a pre-requisite to unity is academic sundry pursuits in order to determine what the truth of each matter is to me.

The acknowledgement of the oneness of humanity and elimination of predudices will lead to worthy academic pursuits.

Until then, no one can even agree to what are worthy academic pursuits.

Regards Tony

 

[danieldemol]

The acknowledgement of the oneness of humanity and elimination of predudices will lead to worthy academic pursuits.

Until then, no one can even agree to what are worthy academic pursuits.

Regards Tony

Tony,
I believe you dont have the foggiest clue of what you are polemicising.

Why would people need to agree on what worthy academic pursuits are? One sees physics as a worthy pursuit so he studies physics. Another sees forms of governance as a worthy pursuit and studies it. Yet another has interest in religion and studies it. What need is there for an identical agreed upon worth when people can study what they subjectively assign worth to?

 

[danieldemol]

Although I can see why one would need agreement on what constitutes worthy academic pursuits if one had the nefarious intention of censoring those academic pursuits considered unworthy because they exposed the untruth of ones own religion I guess.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Tony,
I believe you dont have the foggiest clue of what you are polemicising.

Then let's leave it at that.

Regards Tony

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You make up stuff as you go.

I dont make things up dude. What i say, is just different from what you have learned in the environment you brought up.
I was also brought up in Iran, so, i understand the geographical effect on the belief system of people.
I attended their schools and classes, so I understand...

 

[Link]

Salam

Another further reason, I was unaware of, is that Bahais do not believe in Angels and Jinn as understood by Muslims, but see it as descriptions of humans.

I made a thread about this, and will be adding to it: Angels and Jinn in the Quran.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Salam

Another further reason, I was unaware of, is that Bahais do not believe in Angels and Jinn as understood by Muslims, but see it as descriptions of humans.

I made a thread about this, and will be adding to it: Angels and Jinn in the Quran.

Salam

Hi link. We have a different understanding. This link is an explanation by Abdul-Baha. If you scroll down I think it’s in Arabic also. Hope this helps.

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bahai-library.com

 

[Truthseeker]

Salam

Hi link. We have a different understanding. This link is an explanation by Abdul-Baha. If you scroll down I think it’s in Arabic also. Hope this helps.

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bahai-library.com

Thank you very much. This is a new gold mine for me.

 

[Link]

Salam

Hi link. We have a different understanding. This link is an explanation by Abdul-Baha. If you scroll down I think it’s in Arabic also. Hope this helps.

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bahai-library.com

Salam

Thanks for this. Yes, this confirms what others were saying about Angels and Jinn not being as understood by Muslims. I wrote however, how this understanding is wrong per Quran (so far showed one Surah refuting the notion).

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Really? A prophet? But not a manifestation? So, like Isaiah or Jeremiah in the Bible? If so, who else? Any Christians? Maybe Joseph Smith? Or Billy Graham? Or William Miller? Or Martin Luther? Anybody?

We have been told there has been many Messengers and Prophets, there is more than one type.

"..Thus there have been many holy Manifestations of God. One thousand years ago, two hundred thousand years ago, one million years ago the bounty of God was flowing, the radiance of God was shining, the dominion of God was existing."
‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Foundations of World Unity, p. 108

I am not here to argue about it, or even prove the fact to anybody else.

When humanity finds unity, this will be an academic pursuit that may produce fruit.

At the moment, everyone is just hacking at the tree.

Regards Tony

 

[Secret Chief]

elimination of predudices

Agreed, including religious prejudice against homosexuals.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Agreed, including religious prejudice against homosexuals.

If you have them, that would be a good thing.

Regards Tony

 

[Secret Chief]

If you have them, that would be a good thing.

Regards Tony

I was more thinking about Bahai prejudice regarding gay sex and marriage.

 

[Truthseeker]

Agreed, including religious prejudice against homosexuals.

That has yet to be established against Baha'is by people here. We don't think Baha'is should have homosexual relations, but the teachings discourage prejudice against homosexuals, including those who have homosexual relations. We recognize that the homosexal orientation is just how those who have it are, as a fact of life. They didn't make a choice to be that way. It's nothing to be prejudiced about. The Baha'is don't seek to impose Baha'i conduct on people who are not Baha'is if they they have homosexual sexual relations, and we are advised not to judge or be prejudiced about such people. Indeed, it is a universal principle not to judge others, including Baha'is.

26. O SON OF BEING!
How couldst thou forget thine own faults and busy thyself with the faults of others? Whoso doeth this is accursed of Me.
(Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words)

 

[Secret Chief]

That has yet to be established against Baha'is by people here.

Gay Bahais cannot marry. That is prejudice.

"... marriage between a man and a woman is the only form of sexual relationship permitted for Baháʼís... Baháʼí practices exclude ... homosexual intimacy."

- Baháʼí views on homosexuality - Wikipedia

"Prejudice is an unreasonable dislike of a particular group of people or things, or a preference for one group of people or things over another."

- https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/prejudice

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Gay Bahais cannot marry. That is prejudice.

"... marriage between a man and a woman is the only form of sexual relationship permitted for Baháʼís... Baháʼí practices exclude ... homosexual intimacy."

- Baháʼí views on homosexuality - Wikipedia

"Prejudice is an unreasonable dislike of a particular group of people or things, or a preference for one group of people or things over another."

- https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/prejudice

The key here is it is a Law of God and not a predudice of those that wish to follow those laws.

Now, if you wish to call God Predudiced for giving such a law, then that accusation is applicable to all Faiths and all Scriptures in all of history and in the future to come.

The desire to submit to God's Will is not a prejudice, it is not individually motivated by unreasonable dislikes or preferences, it has the motivation of the good of the whole of humanity in mind.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I was more thinking about Bahai prejudice regarding gay sex and marriage.

They would be your thoughts, they do not resonate with me.

Regards Tony