Updated version of why I don't accept Bahai Faith.

[InvestigateTruth]

Salam

The hadith says "the country/government of Iblis", did not say the night is Iblis. But I get what your saying. To me, it's more proof that Baha'allah is not it, because we are still in dark night. There is still monarchies, unjust governments, truth is not prevalent.

It can be even said in this time, people doubt God more then any time in history.

The day Imam Mahdi (a) rises is when all darkness will be gone. Imams (a) were called nights to because they were covered by falsehood and people didn't see their truth.

I am asking what is your condition. For me, the government of Iblis is still of today. Bani-Ummayad is only one set of Kahens. There is many Kahens today ruling the world. It has not gone away.

The light when it comes is supposed to bring the truth and manifest to all. The government of Iblis will come to an end with rising of the Qaim (a), I know that.

The Imam Mahdi (a) is supposed to be that light in end times, but I don't see that has happened with Baha'allah. I don't see end to evil of Iblis, Iblis is still at work.

The meaning is clear to me because I believe Iblis is an entity that leads astray. People are still lead astray, so that prophecy of the Quran has not come about. It's when truth prevails and the light of God beams the whole earth and it's people, that we can see end to falsehood and prevalence of truth.

This is why I'm asking you the condition and what Iblis is per you. Not your conclusion, but what the term Iblis refers to.

Salam,

I think what you are trying to say is, The Mahdi was supposed to fill the earth with Justice, but still, there is so much injustice now and evil.

This is a valid point. This prophecy is unfulfilled, or not fulfilled yet.

I will explain this soon.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

@Link

In the decrees of God, there are two types. One type is fixed and inevitable, and another type is not fixed, but it is conditional:
These Hadithes are from Bihar and Alkaafi:



The Imam said, "There are two appointed times. One is is a definit time and the other is the conditional one."


This means when the Prophets and Imams gave news about future, some of them are inevitable and some can be delayed or changed. This change in divine plan, is called Bada. ( بداء):



"I heard Imam abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) saying, ‘Had the people known of the reward in the belief in al-Bada’ there would have been no weakness in their words about it.


What is the purpose of Bada? It is to Test our Faith or Iman.

Another Hadith, from the Imam:

‘When we say a hadith, and if our hadith comes true you should say, "Allah has spoken the truth." If we say a hadith to you and if does not come true, you should say, "Allah has spoken the truth." You will be rewarded twice."

And again another Hadith:

"I heard Imam al-Rida (a.s.) saying, "Allah never sent a prophet without the law that prohibits the use of wine and without belief in al-Bada.’"

The Bada is also mentioned in the Torah:


"One instant I may speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to uproot and to demolish and to destroy. And when that nation repents of its evil for which I spoke concerning it, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do to it. And at one instant I may speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant, And [if] it will do what is evil in My eyes, not to hearken to My voice, I will repent of the good I said to benefit it." (Jeremiah 18:7-10)


Now, with regards to the Prophecies of the Qaim, only some of the events are inevitable:

Imam Ja’far Sadiq (a.s.) said:

“Some things are inevitable and others are not. From among the inevitable things is the rising of Sufyani in Rajab.”

And here is another Hadith in Al-kafi:

Once I went to see Amir al-Mu’minin (a.s.) and found him thinking and he drawing lines on the ground. I then said, "O Amir al-Mu’minin (a.s.) I can see you thinking and drawing lines on the ground. Have you become interested in it (worldly things) ?" He said, no, by Allah, I have not become interested in it and the whole world not even for a day but I thought about a baby from my descendants, the eleventh generation. He will be al-Mahdi who will fill the earth with justice and fairness after its being filled with suffering and injustice. He will disappear from the public sight and in confusing conditions. Certain people will deviate and others find the path of guidance." I then asked, "O Amir al-Mu’minin (a.s.), how long will be the duration of confusion and the disappearance?" He said, "Six days or six months or six years." I then said, "Will this really come to pass?" He said, "Yes, just his creation will be necessary (so also will be his disappearance). However, O Asbagh, this is not your concern. Those people will of the best in this nation with the best virtuous ones of this family (Ahl alBayt)." I then said, "What then will happen afterwards?" He said, "Allah will do whatever He will so decide. He possesses, Bada’s, (seemingly change of plan) wills, goals and ends."



Sadiq (a.s.) said:
“The inevitable things that must occur before the appearance of the
Qaim. They are the rising of Sufyani, the sinking of the desert, killing of
Nafse Zakiyyah and the call from the sky.”


So, the filling the earth with justice, depends on how well people would have responded to the call. If most people rejected the Qaim, those good things which was promised could be changed, because they were conditional upon people's respons to the Call of God.

سمعت أبا عبدالله يقول إذا ظهرت راية الحق لعنها أهل الشرق والغرب ، أتدري لم ذلك؟ قلت : لا ، قال : للذي يلقى الناس من أهل بيته قبل خروجه

I heard Aba Abdallah saying: when the Qiam rises, people of the east and west curse Him
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قَالَ النَّبِيُّ ص‌ إِنَّ الْإِسْلَامَ بَدَأَ غَرِيباً وَ سَيَعُودُ غَرِيباً فَطُوبَى لِلْغُرَبَاءِ ..

The Prophet said, Islam was alone and minority in the beginning and will be alone and minority at the time of Return.
Happy are the minority ones!

قُلْ أَمَرَ رَبِّى بِٱلْقِسْطِ ۖ وَأَقِيمُوا۟ وُجُوهَكُمْ عِندَ كُلِّ مَسْجِدٍۢ وَٱدْعُوهُ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ ٱلدِّينَ ۚ كَمَا بَدَأَكُمْ تَعُودُونَ فَرِيقًا هَدَىٰ وَفَرِيقًا حَقَّ عَلَيْهِمُ ٱلضَّلَـٰلَةُ ۗ إِنَّهُمُ ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ ٱلشَّيَـٰطِينَ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَيَحْسَبُونَ أَنَّهُم مُّهْتَدُونَ

Quran 7:29-30

...You shall be returned just as the beginning you were, some will be guided and some will be misguided ....



Imam Muhammad Baqir (a.s.) that he said: Amirul Momineen (a.s.) used to say:

“Muddaththir will be there during the period of Rajat. Someone asked: O Amirul Momineen (a.s.), is there a second life before Qiyamat? And then death after that?
He replied: Yes, by Allah, during the period of Rajat there would be more disbelief.”

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That means, when the Qaim has come, and died, and the Return (رجعت) has come, there even more disbelief!

Again another Hadith:

وإن القائم يخرجون عليه فيتأولون عليه كتاب الله ويقاتلونه عليه.

"When the Qaim rises, they will interpret Quran against Him, and make war with Him"



Imam Ja’far Sadiq (a.s.) say: “When the Qaim (a.s.) appears, those who have thought themselves as his followers will apostatize and those, who are somehow like the worshippers of the sun and the moon, will believe in him.”




What I am trying to say, how could the earth be filled with justice if most people reject the Qaim?

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[danieldemol]

This change in divine plan, is called Bada. ( بداء):

I call it BS personally. Its when your God lies to his followers in the form of a false prophecy and you're expected to believe it is an All-knowing God as opposed to an ignorant human claimant in my view.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I call it BS personally. Its when your God lies to his followers in the form of a false prophecy and you're expected to believe it is an All-knowing God as opposed to an ignorant human claimant in my view.

My God both guides and misguides. But He does not misguide the fair-minded ones!
In the words of Prophets and Imams, there are words, which are Mutishabihat. Those who are not fair-minded, would follow them, and get mislead.
This is how He creates the world so, there is light and there is darkness in it. There is justice and there is wrong in it. There is love in it, and there is hate in it. There kindness in it, and there is cruelty in it.
This is because He created this World as a school.
Imagine a world, with no darkness. Light would be meaningless. Light makes sense, when night comes, and when at the dawn, the sun rises, we see the difference. This is how light is understood. But if there was no darkness, light was not understandable to us. That is how this world is. Through His verses, He creates all things. He creates justice and wrong. He creates kindness and cruelty. He creates everything in pairs.

 

[loverofhumanity]

(1) The Finality of Mohammad (s) in terms of Nabis, is clear to me in the Quran. To clarify briefly, if it was metaphoric meaning of any type, it would have said "Mursaleen" instead of Nabiyeen. That is if Baha'allah interpretation that it mean all Prophets were each other and hence Mohammad (s) is also the final as well that way, a better expression to that would be to say "al-Musraleen" since it's more comprehensive of all those sent. Similar to other interpretations such as ring, seal as in verifying type meaning, etc. It's clear that it mentions him first as a Rasool then seal of Nabiyeen. I've shown before per Quran, not every Nabi is a Rasool and not every Rasool is a Nabi. Both are true but it happens to be the case, the Quran also expresses them as if almost all where both. In this sense, it can be used interchangeably, but to finalize, it's specific to the word. This suggests the Seal/Finalizer is the true meaning.

(2) The day of judgment is clear to me in Quran as well. The Bahai interpretation that Isa (a) was day of judgment of Musa (a), Mohammad (s) day of judgment of Isa (a), and Ba'ahallah day of judgment of Mohammad (s) doesn't stand to what Quran actually says. For example, there are verses that say there will be no room for denial on that day. If you know the Arabic, it doesn't mean "You should not deny", but means there is no way denial will happen. But Bahais rely on translations often, and so when shown these verses, they get a translation and say it can mean "You aren't allow to deny", but the Arabic is clear, that there is no way for anyone to deny that day. There is many features of the day of judgment, and it's explained to be also when people will enter hell. Per Quran, hell has different realities, it encompasses disbelievers in this world, but they don't notice, it's more manifest after death, but still it's not to the level of punishment of day of judgment. The Quran is clear hell will only come in full of view on the day of judgment and that is when people will enter it's full reality. There are many verses, and I can go on forever about this. Anyone interpreting them in unbiased way, no one would come up with Bahai Faith conclusions about it.

(3) There is Twelve Successors and Imam Mahdi (a) is the Twelfth successor. This is true per Quran and many hadiths as well. While if we count the Bab, Baha'allah and his two successors, and say they are successors of Hassan Al-Askari (a), then the Mahdi (a) can't be the twelfth successor. You get either 11 successors to Mohammad (s) (not counting the Bahai chosen ones) per Bahai Faith or 15 (if we say they are sons of Hassan Al-Askari (a)).

(4) There is an Imam in all times per Quran and many hadiths. There is no current Imam in Bahai faith.

(5) Bab and Baha'allah were not related closely by kinship which violates the rules of God in that regard pertaining to succession.

(6) Similar to the above point, the offspring of Baha'allah didn't continue the mission and so there is no real form of Ahlulbayt in the sense of having Successors add up to Twelve and a chosen kinship to continue the mission of the founders.

(7) The final Messenger (The Mahdi per hadiths) per Quran would be sent universally that every city will be tried with him and there is potentiality that every city is destroyed before of day of judgment. See Surah Isra.

(8) The finality of Mohammad (s) in terms of Nabis is narrated from the Imams (a) in many hadiths.

(9) Mohammad (s) and his family (a) being the best of creation is narrated a lot in hadiths and verified in Quran. God always replaces one Ahlulbayt by a better one, but there can't be any better Ahlulbayt (a). Therefore we can conclude on the basis of this that these are the final chosen ones sent to mankind.

(10) The Bahai writings are no where on par with Quran in any field.

Hi Link. My position on Islam is this. That Muhammad is a Messenger of God and the Quran is the Word of God. To me you are my brother and I always feel happy discussing with you. Before I was Christian but now I do not tolerate attacks on Islam or Muslims because I believe many are not educated properly so oppose without reason. I also believe that most Muslims are good and upstanding people and should be accepted as equals.

As to Baha’u’llah and Baha’i, it is a matter for you to question and decide about. My personal opinion is that there are so many interpretations of the Quran and Bible that as fallible humans I believe it is so important that we get it right otherwise our interpretations can be like the people of past ages who, upon personal interpretations crucified Christ and denied Muhammad when their Holy Books clearly showed Both to come from God! Based upon what knowledge do the Jews reject Christ to this day or 2 billion Christians deny Muhammad the Prophet of God? These rejections and persecution of Two Prophets of God has been determined by none other than false and incorrect interpretations of their own holy books by both clergy and followers.

As long as we remain fallible humans we are similarly capable of repeating a mistake that has resulted in rejecting both Christ and Muhammad.

The Torah was used by the high priests to put Christ to a shameful death and the Gospels by the priests to condemn Muhammad as a false prophet yet no matter how learned they claimed to be, they turned away from God and follow their imaginations and cling to these false interpretation. Today, humanity is faced with the same test. Will it learn from its past mistakes or once again take refuge in fallible interpretations?

 

[Link]

What I am trying to say, how could the earth be filled with justice if most people reject the Qaim?

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Salam

In the Quran, the Mahdi (a) is warned about, because he is a test that if majority reject and oppress the believers, majority will be destroyed. What will happen, we don't know. But justice someway or another will take place.

It was important to accept the Imams (a). The delay of Imam Mahdi (a) appearing is also to delay the inevitable catastrophe that will come about if people reject him and oppress believers.

Whether majority will believe or reject, we don't know.

You are right in that some prophecies regarding the Mahdi are conditional. However, some are not. We have hadiths explaining this and telling which ones are not conditional.

 

[Link]

This shows you are paying attention to what Baha'u'llah says. Baha'u'llah was talking about Messengers, not all Prophets.

He was talking about seal of Nabiyeen verse though.

 

[Link]

Salam


مَنِ اهْتَدَىٰ فَإِنَّمَا يَهْتَدِي لِنَفْسِهِ ۖ وَمَنْ ضَلَّ فَإِنَّمَا يَضِلُّ عَلَيْهَا ۚ وَلَا تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَىٰ ۗ وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّىٰ نَبْعَثَ رَسُولًا | Whoever is guided is guided only for [the good of] his own soul, and whoever goes astray, goes astray only to its detriment. No bearer shall bear another’s burden. We do not punish [any community] until We have sent [it] an apostle. | Al-Israa : 15

وَإِذَا أَرَدْنَا أَنْ نُهْلِكَ قَرْيَةً أَمَرْنَا مُتْرَفِيهَا فَفَسَقُوا فِيهَا فَحَقَّ عَلَيْهَا الْقَوْلُ فَدَمَّرْنَاهَا تَدْمِيرًا | And when We desire to destroy a town We command its affluent ones [to obey Allah]. But they commit transgression in it, and so the word becomes due against it, and We destroy it utterly. | Al-Israa : 16

وَكَمْ أَهْلَكْنَا مِنَ الْقُرُونِ مِنْ بَعْدِ نُوحٍ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِرَبِّكَ بِذُنُوبِ عِبَادِهِ خَبِيرًا بَصِيرًا | How many towns We have destroyed since Noah! Your Lord is sufficient as [a witness who is] well aware and percipient of His servants’ sins. | Al-Israa : 17

وَإِنْ مِنْ قَرْيَةٍ إِلَّا نَحْنُ مُهْلِكُوهَا قَبْلَ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ أَوْ مُعَذِّبُوهَا عَذَابًا شَدِيدًا ۚ كَانَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْكِتَابِ مَسْطُورًا | There is not a town but We will destroy it before the Day of Resurrection/rising, or punish it with a severe punishment. That has been written in the Book. | Al-Israa : 58

وَمَا مَنَعَنَا أَنْ نُرْسِلَ بِالْآيَاتِ إِلَّا أَنْ كَذَّبَ بِهَا الْأَوَّلُونَ ۚ وَآتَيْنَا ثَمُودَ النَّاقَةَ مُبْصِرَةً فَظَلَمُوا بِهَا ۚ وَمَا نُرْسِلُ بِالْآيَاتِ إِلَّا تَخْوِيفًا | Nothing kept Us from sending signs except that the first ones (generations) denied them. We gave Thamud the she-camel as an eye-opener, but they wronged her. We do not send the signs except as warning. | Al-Israa : 59

There many more allusions to the Mahdi (a) in the Quran.

 

[Truthseeker]

He was talking about seal of Nabiyeen verse though.

I don't know what to say about that. You know the original Arabic word used in the Qur'an, I don't doubt that.

 

[Link]

This change in divine plan, is called Bada. ( بداء):

Not exactly, it was changed to that later. But originally, the meaning of Bada was that God does decisions in real time. And yes, part of that is erasing what is written or confirming.

It's that there is newly occurring knowledge to God in real time. That means, God doesn't know our decisions before they happen all the time. This means he writes things conditionally, somethings more likely to happen then others, but can erase it given some conditions. This also occurs with deeds the decrease lifespan and deeds that increase it.

The change of divine plan meaning came about later, because Shia scholars tried to appease Sunni scholars and say we believe God's knowledge never changes about the future as well.

I am currently the only Muslim I know who holds this belief.

 

[danieldemol]

My God both guides and misguides. But He does not misguide the fair-minded ones!

To the contrary it is the critical thinkers who are the fair minded in my view as there is no difference between a human that misguides and a God that does so - hence to be fair one can only conclude that your so called God hasn't in fact demonstrated that it is God and to be fair that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

This is how He creates the world so, there is light and there is darkness in it. There is justice and there is wrong in it. There is love in it, and there is hate in it. There kindness in it, and there is cruelty in it.
This is because He created this World as a school.
Imagine a world, with no darkness. Light would be meaningless.
Light makes sense, when night comes, and when at the dawn, the sun rises, we see the difference. This is how light is understood. But if there was no darkness, light was not understandable to us.

That is just a consequence of how we were allegedly created as I see it. An omnipotent God could have created us such that we could recognise light without darkness.

Besides, in a hate free world we would have no need to recognise love as I see it. It would be there for our benefit regardless of whether we recognised it or not so I can see how limited the usefulness of your light/dark analogy is as it presumes a need to recognise love.

That is how this world is. Through His verses, He creates all things.

Like copper that changes into gold if left in its mine for 70 years? Please, the world operates without the influence of God's alleged words as I see it.

He creates justice and wrong. He creates kindness and cruelty. He creates everything in pairs.

Then your God has a lot to answer for in my view.

 

[Truthseeker]

To the contrary it is the critical thinkers who are the fair minded in my view

And of course none of us in religion are critical thinkers and you are, of course.

 

[danieldemol]

And of course none of us in religion are critical thinkers and you are, of course.

I never said that, I said one who accepts a thing as true without demonstration of its truth has not used critical thought to arrive at their conclusion.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

To the contrary it is the critical thinkers who are the fair minded in my view as there is no difference between a human that misguides and a God that does so - hence to be fair one can only conclude that your so called God hasn't in fact demonstrated that it is God and to be fair that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

That is just a consequence of how we were allegedly created as I see it. An omnipotent God could have created us such that we could recognise light without darkness.

Besides, in a hate free world we would have no need to recognise love as I see it. It would be there for our benefit regardless of whether we recognised it or not so I can see how limited the usefulness of your light/dark analogy is as it presumes a need to recognise love.

Like copper that changes into gold if left in its mine for 70 years? Please, the world operates without the influence of God's alleged words as I see it.

Then your God has a lot to answer for in my view.

The purpose of this world, is similar to purpose of the womb. We were in the womb, so, we get ready to live in this world. Likewise we are in this world, so, we get ready for the next life. That's why this world is made as a school. To prepare and teach us, what we need in the next life. Hence God created it, to be a place, where we can understand spiritual qualities, such as kindness, forgiveness, fairness. For these qualities to make sense, we need to have the opposite of them in this world. Therefore, by His verses, He guides many, and He misguides many. The purpose of misguiding is to create evil in the world. Have you not seen, how, many a religious people are evil? And at the same time, there are believers who are like angel. This is how Verses of God created them. But unfortunately, those who are misguided, their soul is like wood. It is burned, to create light for others to see.
To say if God is omnipotent, He could have created us in a way that, we understand Justice, without seeing injustice, is like to say, God could have created us, without having to stay and grow in the womb. The reality is that, everything goes through gradual perfection.

 

[danieldemol]

To say if God is omnipotent, He could have created us in a way that, we understand Justice, without seeing injustice, is like to say, God could have created us, without having to stay and grow in the womb.

I dont see how this is a refutation, an omnipotent God could have created us in such a way that we don't have to stay and grow in a womb in my view.

The reality is that, everything goes through gradual perfection.

Then perhaps your God will increase in perfection to the point it stops lying to its followers in my view.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Not exactly, it was changed to that later. But originally, the meaning of Bada was that God does decisions in real time. And yes, part of that is erasing what is written or confirming.

It's that there is newly occurring knowledge to God in real time. That means, God doesn't know our decisions before they happen all the time. This means he writes things conditionally, somethings more likely to happen then others, but can erase it given some conditions. This also occurs with deeds the decrease lifespan and deeds that increase it.

The change of divine plan meaning came about later, because Shia scholars tried to appease Sunni scholars and say we believe God's knowledge never changes about the future as well.

I am currently the only Muslim I know who holds this belief.

Well, I quoted the Hadithes of Imams. You can make your own conclusions from them. But the point is, in Hadithes, when an Imam or Prophet, prophesized about future events, some of the things are not fixed, meaning, they may not happen.
But to say, God did not know, is illogical to me. God knew. But the purpose is test and separate. Those are typically the Mutishabihat that won't happen in the way, people expect and thus, when it happens in a way the do not expect, they reject, and disbelief, hence this is how God tests and separates.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Salam

In the Quran, the Mahdi (a) is warned about, because he is a test that if majority reject and oppress the believers, majority will be destroyed. What will happen, we don't know. But justice someway or another will take place.

It was important to accept the Imams (a). The delay of Imam Mahdi (a) appearing is also to delay the inevitable catastrophe that will come about if people reject him and oppress believers.

Whether majority will believe or reject, we don't know.

You are right in that some prophecies regarding the Mahdi are conditional. However, some are not. We have hadiths explaining this and telling which ones are not conditional.

That catastrophe is warned by Baha'u'llah.

"We have fixed a time for you, O peoples. If ye fail, at the appointed hour, to turn towards God, He, verily, will lay violent hold on you, and will cause grievous afflictions to assail you from every direction. How severe, indeed, is the chastisement with which your Lord will then chastise you!"

Bahá'u'lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, section CVIII


"The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody."

Bahá’u’lláh: Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 118

 

[danieldemol]

That catastrophe is warned by Baha'u'llah.

"We have fixed a time for you, O peoples. If ye fail, at the appointed hour, to turn towards God, He, verily, will lay violent hold on you, and will cause grievous afflictions to assail you from every direction. How severe, indeed, is the chastisement with which your Lord will then chastise you!"

Bahá'u'lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, section CVIII


"The world is in travail, and its agitation waxeth day by day. Its face is turned towards waywardness and unbelief. Such shall be its plight, that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly. Its perversity will long continue. And when the appointed hour is come, there shall suddenly appear that which shall cause the limbs of mankind to quake. Then, and only then, will the Divine Standard be unfurled, and the Nightingale of Paradise warble its melody."

Bahá’u’lláh: Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 118

Ah decontextualised alleged "prophecy".

Also it was the Bab's job as alleged "Qaim" according to @Link to fulfill all the signs of Qaim, so if Baha'u'llah is saying that will occur in a future time after Bab and Baha'u'llah then that looks like Bab didn't fulfill all the signs of Qaim.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

(2) The day of judgment is clear to me in Quran as well. The Bahai interpretation that Isa (a) was day of judgment of Musa (a), Mohammad (s) day of judgment of Isa (a), and Ba'ahallah day of judgment of Mohammad (s) doesn't stand to what Quran actually says. For example, there are verses that say there will be no room for denial on that day. If you know the Arabic, it doesn't mean "You should not deny", but means there is no way denial will happen. But Bahais rely on translations often, and so when shown these verses, they get a translation and say it can mean "You aren't allow to deny", but the Arabic is clear, that there is no way for anyone to deny that day. There is many features of the day of judgment, and it's explained to be also when people will enter hell. Per Quran, hell has different realities, it encompasses disbelievers in this world, but they don't notice, it's more manifest after death, but still it's not to the level of punishment of day of judgment. The Quran is clear hell will only come in full of view on the day of judgment and that is when people will enter it's full reality. There are many verses, and I can go on forever about this. Anyone interpreting them in unbiased way, no one would come up with Bahai Faith conclusions about it.

اسْتَجِيبُوا لِرَبِّكُم مِّن قَبْلِ أَن يَأْتِيَ يَوْمٌ لَّا مَرَدَّ لَهُ مِنَ اللَّهِ ۚ مَا لَكُم مِّن مَّلْجَإٍ يَوْمَئِذٍ وَمَا لَكُم مِّن نَّكِيرٍ
Quran 42:47

This verse may be interpreted with this Hadith:

بعد الناس عن الاسلام عند ظهور المهدي عليه السلام [1870 - (القمي) " الامام إذا خرج يدعوهم إلى ما ينكرون "] * 1870 - المصادر: *: القمي: ج‌ 2 ص‌ 341 - وقوله: فتول عنهم يوم يدع الداع إلى شئ نكر،

معجم أحاديث الإمام المهدي ع - الكوراني العاملي، الشيخ علي - کتابخانه مدرسه فقاهت

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What is it that the Qaim, calls them to it, but they dislike to accept?

This is an allusion to the New Book that is with the Qaim on the Day of Resurrection.
As it is hard for Arabs to accept،

If the verse means that they cannot deny or have no room to deny, then how do you resolve the conflict with this verse:

وَأَنذِرْهُمْ يَوْمَ ٱلْحَسْرَةِ إِذْ قُضِىَ ٱلْأَمْرُ وَهُمْ فِى غَفْلَةٍۢ وَهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ

"And warn them, [O Muhammad], of the Day of Regret, when the matter will be concluded; and [yet], they are in [a state of] heedlessness, and they do not believe."19:39

It says, when the day of judgment has come, they are still heedless and do not believe!

 

[Link]

Salam

@InvestigateTruth the concept of bida you hold does not make sense to me. It does not make sense for God to "change his promises" as a test. Rather, how I explained, there is conditional prophecies that not even God knows if they will occur makes more sense. He knows it's highly likely, but of course, warns about them, so they be avoided.