Super Universe
Defender of God
This thread is to answer any UB questions or criticism.
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Urantia Book Questions
- Thread starter Super Universe
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@Super Universe -
If you want people to be able to criticize, this is the wrong forum for that. Debating is not permitted in DIR spaces, and outsiders to your religion are only permitted to post respectful questions, not make commentary and definitely not to criticize. Would you like me to move this thread to Religious Debates?
If you want people to be able to criticize, this is the wrong forum for that. Debating is not permitted in DIR spaces, and outsiders to your religion are only permitted to post respectful questions, not make commentary and definitely not to criticize. Would you like me to move this thread to Religious Debates?
Super Universe
Defender of God
Okay, sorry.
Thanks for moving it to Religious Debates.
Thanks for moving it to Religious Debates.
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Super Universe
Defender of God
How do I account for an article that is criticism of the source of the UB? People believe what they want to believe. They also don't like it when others believe something different, they see it as a criticism. If you were really secure in your own beliefs then you wouldn't care what others believe but none of us are perfectly secure. We all have the feeling that we need to defend them because, in a way, we are defending ourselves.
So, am I surprised that others don't like what the UB says? Not at all. People killed Jesus. We shouldn't be surprised at anything anyone does.
Now, to address the criticism in the article, the UB was channeled, given to a human, not by aliens, by angels. The name Urantia is what the angels call the earth. The Urantia Book is the angels bible.
If you don't want to believe that angels give humans revelation then you should not believe in any religious text. How exactly did you think it was done? The Book of Revelations was a dream that John had while he was in jail.
The claim that the book is managed by the Urantia Foundation. Well, it's free online. I wouldn't call that "managed" but okay, whatever.
As for the racist take on the UB, when information is channeled it has to go through a human. Humans are faulty beings, they are emotional, they want what they want, and at times they put their own prejudice into the message. I know this causes doubt to the validity of the message but here's the thing, it happens in everything we do. Even scientists weave their desires into their theories.
The Urantia Foundation is a cult? A cult is a group with deviant ideas. When the Jews became Jews they were deviating from the neighboring cultures. When Jesus gave us new ideas the early Christians were a cult. New information is always received with skepticism because it doesn't fit with people's preconceived ideas about how God and the universe should work.
The Urantia Book followers have blinding faith and empty hopes and nothing more? As if other religious people are not blindly faithful?
The scientific concepts are outdated and based upon the ideas of the time? Well, if the solar system formed from a condensing cloud of gas then how come the sun rotates perpendicular to the ecliptic plane? It would rotate the same direction as the ecliptic plane if it all came from a condensing nebula.
Also, the big bang never happened. If it did there would be a hollow area at the center of the universe. There isn't one. Galaxies are evenly distributed. The scientists found that every galaxy was moving away from each other so they thought that it all came from the same place but a big bang violates the law of gravity. If you have to change your known laws of physics to fit an idea, maybe the idea is incorrect. All the scientists can say is that galaxies are moving away from each other, not that they all came from one big bang. There is much more I could post about this subject but this is getting long enough as it is.
The article ends with the author trying to tell you that he is not concerned with the birth of life, extraterrestrials, and that he lives in the NOW and make the best of it. Good for him. That's not enough for me. I want answers. I want to know how things really work.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I have no criticisms. I don't even know what you're talking about. Too many fringe, cult type of things to keep track of these days.
McBell
Unbound
Pssst....
You might want to put a link to said book if you can.
Super Universe
Defender of God
It's 1,806 pages long so this thread will be long buried by the time anyone read it.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
If you make it through the first 500-600 pages the rest reads fairly quickly.
McBell
Unbound
wouldn't know.
Not seen a copy anywhere
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Welcome back, SU. "Been a long time..."
My question is, "Are you finding that many folks are buying into the Urantia mythos or is it dying out?" (I've not heard a peep about it since you were last here.)
Super Universe
Defender of God
I don't know. I have spent some time on the UB forums but too many of them are "light and lifers". To them, everything is happy, happy, joy, joy, and nothing needs fixing and nothing needs figuring out. Lets all just sprinkle flower petals on everything.
Honestly, I prefer an interesting conversation, even if we disagree.
Super Universe
Defender of God
I would recommend reading the last quarter of the book first, The Life of Jesus. The first section of the book is very difficult for humans to accept because we think it's all about us.
I think it's a fascinating take. I have a copy.
The Urantia Book | Urantia Book | Urantia Foundation
For anyone interested I recommend The Lucifer Rebellion.
Paper 53 - The Lucifer Rebellion | Urantia Book | Urantia Foundation
The Urantia Book | Urantia Book | Urantia Foundation
For anyone interested I recommend The Lucifer Rebellion.
Paper 53 - The Lucifer Rebellion | Urantia Book | Urantia Foundation
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Easily bought on Amazon.
This is fascinating. Also the story of Adam and Eve.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
No, a cult is a small group following beliefs; the precursor to a religion, or a small element to a cultural faith (e.g. the Cult of Diana).
What is Urantia? In your own words.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Urantia is simply, according to the text, the name our planet is known by throughout the universe. I know it sounds crazy but you should read the book before you judge.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Asking what Urantia is, or clarifying "cult", is now judging? Odd.
Super Universe
Defender of God
I think you're asking me what the UB is about? To make a very long story short, there are many universal levels and many varieties of angels who do work for the universe.
The universe is basically a school system designed to give God's children, humans and other sentient beings, experiential experience followed by formal schooling on how God and the universe really work.
God only does the things that only God can do. He creates the universe and provides personality to all beings.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
So how does that differ from a number of other religions?
Super Universe
Defender of God
Near as I know there is no religion associated with the UB. Hopefully there never will be but when new information about God and the universe is given to humanity people like to form groups and those groups tend to evolve into religions that separate people.
It's just information that you can use to decide for yourself what you want to believe.