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US announces $60 bln arms sale for Saudi Arabia

dust1n

Zindīq
The United States announced Wednesday its largest arms sale ever, hundreds of advanced warplanes and helicopters for Saudi Arabia in a deal worth up to $60 billion.

The plan allows for the sale to Riyadh of 84 F-15 fighter jets, 70 Apache attack helicopters, 72 tactical Black Hawk helicopters and several Little Birds, lightweight helicopters often used in special operations, assistant secretary for political-military affairs Andrew Shapiro said.

The sale, which also includes the upgrade of 70 used F-15s, is “not to exceed 60 billion” dollars, Shapiro told reporters.

The delivery of the weapons would be spread over 15 to 20 years.
President Barack Obama’s administration officially notified Congress of what Shapiro described as a “significant” arms sale to Riyadh.

Congress has the authority to amend or delay the agreement, Shapiro said, adding that he did not expect Israeli opposition to the sale.

US defense officials said the deal had been in the works for months with the Saudis, who have grown increasingly anxious about Iran’s missile arsenal. US officials were already speaking about the 60-billion-dollars sale in September.

Last month State Department spokesman Philip Crowley said major arms deals to countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel were in the US “national interest” as Washington seeks to keep the region stable and counter potential threats from Iran.

Prior to Crowley’s comments, the Israeli government said it had given final approval to the purchase from the United States of F-35 stealth fighter jets, which are “fifth generation” US jets with more advanced technology that F-15s.

US officials see the Saudi package as underscoring the strategic alliance between the two countries, despite serious strains over Middle East diplomacy and the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

In September the officials said the sale was likely to include HARM anti-radar missiles, more precision-guided JDAM bombs, Hellfire missiles and sophisticated displays mounted on fighter pilots’ helmets, but it was not immediately clear if they were part of the deal announced Wednesday.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...national_October939.xml&section=international



 

linwood

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The United States announced Wednesday its largest arms sale ever, hundreds of advanced warplanes and helicopters for Saudi Arabia in a deal worth up to $60 billion.

The plan allows for the sale to Riyadh of 84 F-15 fighter jets, 70 Apache attack helicopters, 72 tactical Black Hawk helicopters and several little birds.....



While I disagree with selling an ***-backward country like Saudi any military hardware it seems the state dept got a nice deal on what is essentially a lot of obsolete or near obsolete weaponry and some troop transport.


Edit:I have a much bigger problem with them selling stealth weapons to Israel
 

Bismillah

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essentially a lot of obsolete or near obsolete weaponry and some troop transport.
Reselling surplus that the Army no longer needs not only to make a quick buck, but to also help the Arab camp in their opposition to Iran. Two birds one stone.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Reselling surplus that the Armin no longer needs not only to make a quick buck, but to also help the Arab camp in their opposition to Iran. Two birds one stone.
Whom in the Arab world is Iran threatening?
But the weaponry being sold to the Saudis doesn't sound like obsolete surplus stuff to me.
 

linwood

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Whom in the Arab world is Iran threatening?
But the weaponry being sold to the Saudis doesn't sound like obsolete surplus stuff to me.

Iran threatens all it's less maniacal neighbors(granted they're few but Saudi is one)

Most of the weaponry mentioned is excellent tech but very old.

The F-15 while perhaps the most effective proven war machine the world has ever known is far surpassed by the F-22.
The little bird choppers while also effective have been sidelined by remote drones and a change in us tactical strategy.
The BlackHawks are still quite effective and useful but are nothing more than troop transport.
The Apache choppers, well yes they're still the army's go-to support for ground troops and very effective.
However their maintainence and part replacement needs would keep the Saudis reliant on the us to keep them running.

I seriously am far more concerned with what Israel might do with those Stealth bombers.
That concerns me.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I seriously am far more concerned with what Israel might do with those Stealth bombers.
That concerns me.
Are you concerned with Canada's plans to buy Stealth technology too? We did burn your White house down awhile back...
 

Bismillah

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Whom in the Arab world is Iran threatening?
Its more of a divide and conquer game I think. The U.S is playing on the deep divides between the Shia and the Sunni. There has always been an uneasy tension between the Gulf states and Iran. They all back their own proxy wars within each others countries i believe.

But the weaponry being sold to the Saudis doesn't sound like obsolete surplus stuff to me.
Like I said it's good enough for the job at hand, countering Iranian ordnance. But still obsolete when you look at the things America and Israel are sporting.

Are you concerned with Canada's plans to buy Stealth technology too? We did burn your White house down awhile back...
But Canada isn't planning a preemptive attack on another country is it? Besides, wasn't it the British from the sea that burned the White House down? I always thought it was a sorta pincer maneuver between two British armies, like what they did at New Orleans.
 

linwood

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Are you concerned with Canada's plans to buy Stealth technology too? We did burn your White house down awhile back...

No, I don't think Canada will be using stealth tech to possibly set off nuclear war in the mid east.
:)

Besides, I think I've already volunteered to be a covert forward observer in the service of the Canadian military if they ever decide to aid their southern neighbors by removing our regime and installing some sanity to our governmental/political process.

:)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Iran threatens all it's less maniacal neighbors(granted they're few but Saudi is one)
I just haven't seen Iran attack anyone. Their 1980s war against Iraq was to defend against Iraqi invasion.

Most of the weaponry mentioned is excellent tech but very old.
The F-15 while perhaps the most effective proven war machine the world has ever known is far surpassed by the F-22.
The little bird choppers while also effective have been sidelined by remote drones and a change in us tactical strategy.
The BlackHawks are still quite effective and useful but are nothing more than troop transport.
The Apache choppers, well yes they're still the army's go-to support for ground troops and very effective.
That's still all very useful materiel, just like weapons in America's arsenal, eg, bolt action rifles, trucks, etc.

I seriously am far more concerned with what Israel might do with those Stealth bombers.
That concerns me.
Agreed. They're too thugish & full of religious fervor to have weapons with such offensive potential.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I guess the powers that be want to go to war with Saudi Arabia in 10-20 years.

Good plan because by then the technologies that we're selling them will be *completely* obsolete.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
The Saudi's are our friends. Why would we go to war with them?

The Saudis are nutcases. Arming them is like giving a machine gun to a spoiled brat.

Yes, the Saudis will be a major player in oil forever, but we are giving them the means to terrorise their own people and make war against anyone in their region.

We're arming them because we know that it will be too tempting for a leader down the road to abuse their arms and we than retaliate, gaining control over the oil.

[Let's not forget that 15 of the 9-11 attackers were Saudi]
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
the Saudis have been buying arms from everyone for ever .
I would like to know what they do with them all.
I can't believe they just dump them to make room for the next lot.
Perhaps they are Just arms Traders to the whoever .....

I would find it unlikely that they have sufficient citizens of their own, to make up a trained Military force, that could actually be effective and loyal in a war situation.

Population of citizens 17 million ...say 3 million adult males of military age.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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I would find it unlikely that they have sufficient citizens of their own, to make up a trained Military force, that could actually be effective in a war situation.

They would have to use mercenaries.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I don't think I can contemplate how many Jihadis would retaliate if America were to ever invade Saudi Arabia.

I doubt that. Not for retaliation.

How is Saudi Arabia different from Iraq or Afganistan (in this sense)?
 
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