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US Government Shutdown

1robin

Christian/Baptist
What alternative universe are you living in? :eek:
Apparently one in which revenue is supposed to be balanced with expenditures. It is not the one liberals live in but I am afraid it is the one you will be shocked back into when China cuts us off. Exactly what additional thing were the republicans asking for? They wanted what we have to be cut, they were not asking for anything additional. But why only spend what you actually have right?
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Well:

Now that the U.S. has edged past Russia as the world's largest oil and gas producer, the drumbeat to export some of that oil bounty is expected to get louder as U.S. production continues to grow.

The North American energy picture has been evolving rapidly, as U.S. producers use drilling advances to extract oil and gas from shale rock and other difficult-to-access areas. That has created a boom, with the U.S. expected to produce an average 7.5 million barrels a day of oil in 2013 and 8.4 million barrels a day in 2014, according to the Energy Information Administration. The U.S. still imports about 8 million barrels a day. -- Ship, baby, ship! Calls come for US to export oil

You lost me here. We do have as far as I know the largest untouched natural resources in the world until Obama can get money no other way anyway. However if we are the #1 producer why are we importing oil? Are you suggesting we use it al up or what? The one thing I do know is we are not touching the vast majority of our oil because some liberal tree huggers are trying to save some minnows in one place. Some mooses, moosi, a bunch of moose in another and are against pipe lines just because they would create jobs I guess. BTW the moose are more abundant at oil fields and pipelines not less abundant because the heat melts the snow. Anyway I was just wondering what you meant above.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
The debt by a billion percent.


The efforts concerning the environment are a problem in many cases, not a help. Certainly we should be good stewards of the Earth but spending millions to save endangered minnows, which prevents a trillion dollars in oil to be accessed are helping no one. Green companies have lost hundreds of billions of tax money. I am sure good environment efforts exist but there are countless rackets and schemes involved as well. It has become in large part a self justifying scam, just as the global cooling scam was in the 80's.
The Debt is clearly more important to get under control than the environment. Thank you.

The problem with this is that republican presidents have increased the national debt and can't get to the control Bill Clinton had on the debt.

The problem with this is that republicans in general use religion to discredit science/global warming. The conservative media exploits this thanks to the corrupt Big Oil, Big Tobacco, etc corporations. What's the end result? Profits for corporations at the expense of the environment.

So, when you vote republican, you are essentially voting to increase the national debt (long run) and destroy the environment in the process.

You may think the debt is more harmful for your generations 100 years from now, but that can be corrected with the correct leadership. What cannot be corrected a 100 years from now is the damage to the environment.

Democrats stand to lower the debt AND protect the environment.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
So far two posts, two sarcastic rants, no relevant arguments, and no evidence. Good work.

Whereas you make thousands of posts, thousands of verbiose, obfuscatory rants, no rational arguments, as well as no evidence, other than your overbloated opinions. Terrible work.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Apparently one in which revenue is supposed to be balanced with expenditures.

Because everyone who gets their degree in economics from a mail-order university knows government budgets should be run like household checkbooks. Gotit.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Because everyone who gets their degree in economics from a mail-order university knows government budgets should be run like household checkbooks. Gotit.
Oh, come now, Phil, you now very well that if you get three economists together, after a half hour the only thing they will agree on is that the other two are nuts.
 

McBell

Unbound
Oh, come now, Phil, you now very well that if you get three economists together, after a half hour the only thing they will agree on is that the other two are nuts.
Why in the world are they talking about each others nuts?
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
The Debt is clearly more important to get under control than the environment. Thank you.
Ok, so far.


The problem with this is that republican presidents have increased the national debt and can't get to the control Bill Clinton had on the debt.
Republicans have increased the debt. Liberals have increased it far more. Republicans produced some of the best unemployment numbers and best economies for it. Carter, FDR, and Obama have spent more money and the economy and employment got worse. How did Obama spend enough money in one bill to pay every unemployed person $60,000 a year and have zero unemployment, only to have it get worse. How is that even possible? Bill Clinton could not even control himself. It was Newt Gingrich that wrote the budgets and made the cuts and Bill's realization that if he did not become far more conservative he had no chance to be re-elected that produced the surplus.



The problem with this is that republicans in general use religion to discredit science/global warming.
No they do not. There is no religious argument against global warming from any conservative. There are many reasons to believe it is occurring but few to blame it on man. The ocean produces almost all CO2 not cars. Religious people are not as scared of it as people without any faith but they do not make religious arguments about it.


The conservative media exploits this thanks to the corrupt Big Oil, Big Tobacco, etc corporations. What's the end result? Profits for corporations at the expense of the environment.
Lets definitely stop all those evil corporations so that no one will have a job. They exploit what?



So, when you vote republican, you are essentially voting to increase the national debt (long run) and destroy the environment in the process.
Just one liberal alone (FDR) took a dollar worth $1.17 and in 8 years made it worth less than $.20 and wrecked our entire economy. Carter created the worst inflation in memory and created the housing bubble. Clinton doubled down on it. In 2002 republicans in hearing said it was a bubble and the liberal said it was not (very similar to what you are doing) it burst and they blamed it on Bush. Yes republicans at times increase debt and do other things that are wrong. The liberals specialize in doing so and do it far more, far bidder, and without stop. At least Reagan created something with what he spent, bankrupted Russia, brought down the wall, had a thriving economy and low unemployment. Bush fought two wars. Obama ended both spent far more money and some how in spite of that lost jobs.

You may think the debt is more harmful for your generations 100 years from now, but that can be corrected with the correct leadership. What cannot be corrected a 100 years from now is the damage to the environment.
The US will not be here to do anything if things no liberal on earth will do are not done as this latest my way or the highway shutdown proved. In fact they have already probably spent us into a place where no recovery is possible.

Democrats stand to lower the debt AND protect the environment.
They may protect the environment but they do the exact opposite of reducing debt. Have you never looked at a debt chart for the past 100 years? Liberals can't fight (they started and lost the only war we have ever lost), they make every moral mistake legislation can be used to accomplish, they have no economic ability (they have fathered the two worse pieces of economic legislation in history, getting off the gold standard and Obama care, they have ruined the greatest school system in history, Medicare, plus social security, and are ruining the greatest health care system in history). Spending money was the one thing they could do well and you are taking even that away (but you they won't let you, it's all they have).
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Because everyone who gets their degree in economics from a mail-order university knows government budgets should be run like household checkbooks. Gotit.
So only the government should spend more than they have? I should have known since it is working so well. The general principles behind household finance and Government economics are exactly the same or should be. At least the world would be better off if politicians did not lend money to themselves at interest, did not borrow to the point they can only pay the interest and only do that when we let them borrow more to do it with, and bleed what they depend on dry and make up lies why it is good for them. You are probably right that our government does not operate like a household does. You are not right in not suggesting they should (except in case of war). What is more certain than any fact in history is that what they are doing can't possibly end well unless they quit doing it. The only worse is to pretend that is not inescapable so that money can be stolen from generations not even born yet.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
Whereas you make thousands of posts, thousands of verbiose, obfuscatory rants, no rational arguments, as well as no evidence, other than your overbloated opinions. Terrible work.
Is I know you are but what am I, the best you got?

So far three posts, two sarcastic rants, no relevant arguments, and no evidence. Only a few dozen more without anything relevant and you might be in the running for most posts without a point but it is a tight race on your side. Good work, again.


Even my sarcasm is better and unlike you it is not all I have.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Apparently one in which revenue is supposed to be balanced with expenditures. It is not the one liberals live in but I am afraid it is the one you will be shocked back into when China cuts us off. Exactly what additional thing were the republicans asking for? They wanted what we have to be cut, they were not asking for anything additional. But why only spend what you actually have right?

The desire for a balanced budget is reasonable. That's not what I was talking about.

Your complete revisionist history and interpretation of what just happened regarding the shutdown is what I question.

It is well-documented that the Republicans planned, created, and perpetuated the shutdown, in order to make an end-run around the democratic process to get rid of a bill that they have failed to get rid of 47 times in the (at least somewhat) normal, democratic channels.

That you turn around and blame the shutdown on Obama is completely bewildering. It's like we're not even on the same planet.
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
When are you Democrats just going to get on with life, and stop blaming Republicans for all your problems? I see that Obama got what he wanted in the "shutdown" thing; but instead of moving forward to trying to get rid of our massive debt, he's blabbering about the Republicans. I honestly wish to God that we were rid of that bigmouth, and had a real President; but I think God wants to punish America.


Awwwnnnnffff.....:sad:
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Thank goodness Obama got his way...

What did he actually get?

Aren't you aware that good ol' boy Mitch McConnell got a $2 Billion Dollar boondoggle check toward that bloated, over budget, and past....way way past due deadline Dam they're building in Kentucky?

Conservatives accuse Mitch McConnell of 'Kentucky kickback' in spending deal - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com
Conservative groups ripped into Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, accusing him of earmarking $2 billion for a famously troubled lock-and-dam project that would benefit his home state as part of the bill to reopen the government and avert a debt default.

:shrug:
 
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