US-Israeli Alliance at an end due to Netanyahu's remarks

[Wirey]

White House 'rethinking' Israel ties, peace process rules - World - CBC News

From the article:

Repeatedly, President Obama's aptly-named spokesman, Josh Earnest, told reporters Thursday the U.S. is "rethinking" and "re-evaluating," and "reconsidering" its decades-long, unwavering support of a negotiated solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The days of Washington automatically supporting Israel at the UN, striving to protect it from international isolation may be over: "That foundation has been eroded," said Earnest. "It means that our policy decisions need to be reconsidered."

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Don't count your chickens before eagerly trampling the eggs.

 

[Wirey]

You're talking to the wrong guy. I like Israel. But Benny is doing everything he can to stay in the driver's seat, and running down the eggs.

 

[Revoltingest]

White House 'rethinking' Israel ties, peace process rules - World - CBC News

From the article:

Repeatedly, President Obama's aptly-named spokesman, Josh Earnest, told reporters Thursday the U.S. is "rethinking" and "re-evaluating," and "reconsidering" its decades-long, unwavering support of a negotiated solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The days of Washington automatically supporting Israel at the UN, striving to protect it from international isolation may be over: "That foundation has been eroded," said Earnest. "It means that our policy decisions need to be reconsidered."

That would be great news were it true.
But you know the old joke about how to tell when a politician is lying.......

 

[metis]

Not only do I believe Netanyahu needs a "wake-up call", so does Israel in general.

What Bibi did coming here without he nor Boehner contacting the POTUS was morally corrupt on the basis of our long-standing tradition of not having foreign leaders interfere with our internal debates on foreign policy. And then there are some other factors of what he said in Israel just before the election, which was truly pathetic, although that's more of just Israel's concern.

Without massive amounts of U.S. aid historically, Israel probably wouldn't be around today. This doesn't mean that we own them, but what I am saying is that Bibi's actions and sticking his thumb in the POTUS's eye cannot and should not be tolerated, imo. I'm pretty certain that he's counting on the fact that it's political suicide for both Obama and the Democrats to come off being anti-Israel, but I do believe a strong "message" has to be sent back to Bibi, and in no uncertain terms. This cannot and should not be tolerated, imo.

 

[Nietzsche]

Thank you, finally. Let's see how our tail does without the rest of the dog to back it up.

 

[YmirGF]

Not only do I believe Netanyahu needs a "wake-up call", so does Israel in general.

What Bibi did coming here without he nor Boehner contacting the POTUS was morally corrupt on the basis of our long-standing tradition of not having foreign leaders interfere with our internal debates on foreign policy. And then there are some other factors of what he said in Israel just before the election, which was truly pathetic, although that's more of just Israel's concern.

Without massive amounts of U.S. aid historically, Israel probably wouldn't be around today. This doesn't mean that we own them, but what I am saying is that Bibi's actions and sticking his thumb in the POTUS's eye cannot and should not be tolerated, imo. I'm pretty certain that he's counting on the fact that it's political suicide for both Obama and the Democrats to come off being anti-Israel, but I do believe a strong "message" has to be sent back to Bibi, and in no uncertain terms. This cannot and should not be tolerated, imo.

Bibi is also quite aware that the Obama administration is in its lame duck mode AND facing those horrid obstructionist Republicans who are eager to thwart his every move. Obama should be wary about isolating himself. Bibi has another 4 years. Maybe though, it is a wake-up call to get the current administration to understand that they have no moral right to bully Israel into submission.

 

[Revoltingest]

Bibi is also quite aware that the Obama administration is in its lame duck mode AND facing those horrid obstructionist Republicans who are eager to thwart his every move. Obama should be wary about isolating himself. Bibi has another 4 years. Maybe though, it is a wake-up call to get the current administration to understand that they have no moral right to bully Israel into submission.

We bully Israel?
Pish posh! Piffle! Balderdash!
We spend a fortune to prop them up.
Ungrateful pismires!

 

[YmirGF]

We bully Israel?
Pish posh! Piffle! Balderdash!
We spend a fortune to prop them up.
Ungrateful pismires!

Well, we have less than 2 years of the current regime left, so this hostility won't last long....

 

[metis]

Bibi is also quite aware that the Obama administration is in its lame duck mode AND facing those horrid obstructionist Republicans who are eager to thwart his every move. Obama should be wary about isolating himself. Bibi has another 4 years. Maybe though, it is a wake-up call to get the current administration to understand that they have no moral right to bully Israel into submission.

The administration is hardly "bullying" Israel-- actually quite the opposite as what has been pointed out. The issue with the settlements, for example, has angered every single U.S. president going at least as far back as the Clinton years, but probably even before then. And this administration has given Israel more military aid than any other previous administration, according to Shimon Peres.

The indication that Obama won't guarantee safety to Israeli jets because he won't give them the friend/foe code is a good move, imo, because if Israel attacks Iran, the U.S. is going to get much of the blame and suffer from some of the consequences. However, if these peace negotiations don't work out, then I can see that we could give Israel the green light in our intelligence indicates that Iran is close to developing its own nukes.

BTW, elections are every four years in Israel, but a failed "vote of confidence" could change that.

 

[YmirGF]

The administration is hardly "bullying" Israel-- actually quite the opposite as what has been pointed out. The issue with the settlements, for example, has angered every single U.S. president going at least as far back as the Clinton years, but probably even before then. And this administration has given Israel more military aid than any other previous administration, according to Shimon Peres.

The indication that Obama won't guarantee safety to Israeli jets because he won't give them the friend/foe code is a good move, imo, because if Israel attacks Iran, the U.S. is going to get much of the blame and suffer from some of the consequences. However, if these peace negotiations don't work out, then I can see that we could give Israel the green light in our intelligence indicates that Iran is close to developing its own nukes.

BTW, elections are every four years in Israel, but a failed "vote of confidence" could change that.

So, none of the apparent hostility coming from the White house is meaningful. What a farking brilliant strategy.
"Here have some more of this super-sophisticated weaponry.... just don't you dare use it!"

Then again, it doesn't sound like the Iranians are being to receptive now... so this isn't going to end well.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, we have less than 2 years of the current regime left, so this hostility won't last long....

Maybe.
Predictions are hard to make, especially about the future.

 

[columbus]

get the current administration to understand that they have no moral right to bully Israel into submission.

You cannot be serious.
Tom

 

[metis]

So, none of the apparent hostility coming from the White house is meaningful. What a farking brilliant strategy.
"Here have some more of this super-sophisticated weaponry.... just don't you dare use it!"

Then again, it doesn't sound like the Iranians are being to receptive now... so this isn't going to end well.

So, you honestly believe that having a foreign dignitary brought in to try and influence our on-going diplomatic relations, uninvited by the Commander-In-Chief, is somehow acceptable? And if this happens, then the administration should just ignore it by tiptoeing through the tulips singing Kumbaya?

 

[YmirGF]

So, you honestly believe that having a foreign dignitary brought in to try and influence our on-going diplomatic relations, uninvited by the Commander-In-Chief, is somehow acceptable? And if this happens, then the administration should just ignore it by tiptoeing through the tulips singing Kumbaya?

The reality is that not too many care what the Golfer-in-Chief wants or does not want.

 

[Revoltingest]

The reality is that not too many care what the Golfer-in-Chief wants or does not want.

What he wants does matter though.
- His imposing Obamacare upon us was terrible.
- His refusal to preemptively attack Iran was wonderful.
All presidents are a mixed bag, & we shouldn't focus solely on what we like or what we hate.

 

[metis]

The reality is that not too many care what the Golfer-in-Chief wants or does not want.

IYO.

 

[columbus]

The reality is that not too many care what the Golfer-in-Chief wants or does not want.

The unfortunate fact is that the only ones who really matter are the WallStreet 1%ers.
Obama found this out.
I already knew it.
Tom

 

[atpollard]

Someone once pointed out to me that the last time a US President was scheduled to strong-arm Israel into an imposed peace treaty, they had to cancel the visit so the US could debate 'dimpled chads'.
IMHO, one messes with Israel at their own risk.
YMMV

 

[Sunstone]

Seems like Obama is actually serious about reaching an agreement with Iran. At any rate, if Netanyahu is weakened by this, he deserves it.