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USA Drops Out Of Top 25 Least Corrupt Nations

Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Well, when you have a party who humored a lie and now supports it and is bringing about election laws in response to this lie, to the point of refusing to acknowledge an insurrection as an attempt to overthrow the US Government, stuff like that I suppose can be expected.
Add in that many cops and sheriff's have ties to many of those same extremists and it's just no surprise.
 
Viker

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
I don't know if we're actually heading to dystopiahood, but it often seems like that anymore.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Viker said:
I don't know if we're actually heading to dystopiahood, but it often seems like that anymore.
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It often feels like Bizzaro World.....
- Joe Biden is a civil libertarian.
- Donald Trump is a skilled businessman.
- AOC is the Dem's leading young intellectual.
- Marjory Greene is a voice for morality.
- Police are here to protect & serve us.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
We need better leaders.
I shudder to think what Dem & Pub offerings will be for 2022.
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Not sure whether to consider this optimistic or not.
Even our press corps seems to have given up on Biden.

I suppose an exceptional leader wouldn't need the press to make them look good.
I fear the democrats and republicans are too embroiled in their power struggles to worry about good leadership.
 
Viker

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Revoltingest said:
It often feels like Bizzaro World.....
- Joe Biden is a civil libertarian.
- Donald Trump is a skilled businessman.
- AOC is the Dem's leading young intellectual.
- Marjory Greene is a voice for morality.
- Police are here to protect & serve us.
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If we can just force ourselves to believe these things, everything will be alright. And maybe they won't force us to believe.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Friend of Mara said:
TBH I am surprised we were ever in the top 25. The fact that lobbying is legal should shove us strait down to the bottom.
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Lobbying is necessary because it's our voice, eg,
business, unions, elderly, disabled, civil libertarians.
Bribery is not.
 
Friend of Mara

Friend of Mara

Active Member
Revoltingest said:
Lobbying is necessary because it's our voice, eg,
business, unions, elderly, disabled, civil libertarians.
Bribery is not.
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There is a reason why there are differences between advocacy groups and lobbyists.
 
Friend of Mara

Friend of Mara

Active Member
Revoltingest said:
Aren't you a fan of teacher unions?
Do you oppose their lobby?
Everyone here has the right to organize & voice opinions to leaders.

I wouldn't put too much stock in guys with signs.
Even if the do have a table with papers.
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True. However the fundamental practice of lobbying in the united states is tied to money. Money is tied to chances of victory in elections. Ergo the political machine is subservient to whomever fills their pockets regardless of the perceived support.

Do you recall the chart made by Harvard a few years back that tracked the actions of congress against the will of the people and then another one across the same time frame where they tracked the actions of congress against the will of specifically wealthy investors?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Friend of Mara said:
True. However the fundamental practice of lobbying in the united states is tied to money. Money is tied to chances of victory in elections. Ergo the political machine is subservient to whomever fills their pockets regardless of the perceived support.

Do you recall the chart made by Harvard a few years back that tracked the actions of congress against the will of the people and then another one across the same time frame where they tracked the actions of congress against the will of specifically wealthy investors?
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People have the right to organize, aggregate money, &
support election of lawmakers. It is indeed a process ripe
for corruption. But if we're prevented from organizing &
supporting candidates, that would seem the greater evil.
 
Friend of Mara

Friend of Mara

Active Member
Revoltingest said:
People have the right to organize, aggregate money, &
support election of lawmakers. It is indeed a process ripe
for corruption. But if we're prevented from organizing &
supporting candidates, that would seem the greater evil.
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How about we get the money out of it entirely? We'll see who is actually supported and who is not. Every campaign is gathering people for support. For a more equal society our voices need to be more equal. On the presidential level getting rid of the EC is the first thing that has to go. Allow all our citizens to vote. And then from there we can stop candidates that simply raised a billion dollars from a dozen investors (because I'm sure they will rule fairly and without bias).
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Friend of Mara said:
How about we get the money out of it entirely? We'll see who is actually supported and who is not. Every campaign is gathering people for support. For a more equal society our voices need to be more equal. On the presidential level getting rid of the EC is the first thing that has to go. Allow all our citizens to vote. And then from there we can stop candidates that simply raised a billion dollars from a dozen investors (because I'm sure they will rule fairly and without bias).
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If there's no money in campaigning, then who
would control access to media? Would it be
legal to buy air time for one's advocacy?

You can't eliminate corruption by eliminating money.
The control would simply transfer to other sources,
& those powers could very well be corrupt.
The only solution (which isn't a total solution) is
the light of day, ie, openness about who pays for
what. Sure, it will pose some privacy issues, but
ain't no system gonna be perfect.
I also favor entrapment of politicians. Let them
live in fear that any bribe they take will be surveilled.
(Of course, I know politicians will never allow this.)
 
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