Subduction Zone
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Finally what sounds like a good decision by the USSC. No links yet.
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USSC rejects a state's abilities to change election law with no court oversight.
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6 to 3 !
Now let's see what they to with ...
Now let's see what they to with ...
- affirmative action (school admissions),
- and Biden's student loan forgiveness.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I have been very pessimistic when it comes to the USSC. So today's ruling was a welcome surprise. I do not hold out much hope for those issues. But perhaps Trump's influence on the court is fading. Trump would have definitely opposed this finding.
When a Court affirms the value of Court oversight, it may reflect little more than a case of defending court-affirming guardrails.
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
It was an interesting decision. And it does make a news headline that sounds good.
But I'm a little bit suspicious.
Was this the proper decision made for the good of the system or was it a decision made simply to increase the power of courts over legislatures?
Courts rule on matters of law. Do you think legislatures can act in ways that defy law?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
It sound like they made a good decision because lately Republicans have had a history of using gerrymanders in various ways to try to keep them in power. That is not what is supposed to be done. In the past it was the Democrats that were more often guilty of this. I don't care which party does it, it is wrong. Gerrymandering is done to increase the number of one's party in the House of Representatives. An easy check that you can do is to Google how many people voted for Democrat members of the House vs. how many people voted for Republicans. If the districting was fair and honest that percentage should closely match the percentage of representatives that each party has. I have not done that yet. But I will add it in an edit.
Hmm, overall the results appear to be very fair. The number of seats exactly switched since the 2020 election. The Republicans did do slightly better so perhaps they could have picked up one more seat, but the difference in the percentage of Republican votes in 2022 was only 0.3% greater than the percentage of Democratic votes in 2020. Right now it does not appear that either party is benefiting greatly from gerrymandering:
2022 United States House of Representatives elections - Wikipedia
And that may be due to the rule of law that the USSC held up. It was working. Neither side was gaining any votes so voting for no change sounds reasonable.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
As long as it dosent lead to centralization like communist countries do.
Any federal standard should not interfere with states rights.
OTOH, states rights should not interfere with citizens' rights.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How could it? It was merely recognizing the proper separation of roles in government.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, I fully agree. Any claim from the federal level aboout anything including the constitution including individual rights are invalid. All rights are the state's rights as per the goverment in state. All rights are communal and belong to the state. Bravo, you have finally seen the light. All rights are state rights. Long live the state and the government.
Indeed that is what the constitution says. Everything is state rights.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So you deny state's rights. Well, you are a traitor and non-American. All there is, is state rights according to you and you are the expert on rights.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
China definitely loves people like you.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
You operate in black and white, but rights are not that simple. But you are that simple.
Ponder This
Well-Known Member
Good comments.It sound like they made a good decision because lately Republicans have had a history of using gerrymanders in various ways to try to keep them in power. That is not what is supposed to be done. In the past it was the Democrats that were more often guilty of this. I don't care which party does it, it is wrong. Gerrymandering is done to increase the number of one's party in the House of Representatives. An easy check that you can do is to Google how many people voted for Democrat members of the House vs. how many people voted for Republicans. If the districting was fair and honest that percentage should closely match the percentage of representatives that each party has. I have not done that yet. But I will add it in an edit.
Hmm, overall the results appear to be very fair. The number of seats exactly switched since the 2020 election. The Republicans did do slightly better so perhaps they could have picked up one more seat, but the difference in the percentage of Republican votes in 2022 was only 0.3% greater than the percentage of Democratic votes in 2020. Right now it does not appear that either party is benefiting greatly from gerrymandering:
2022 United States House of Representatives elections - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
And that may be due to the rule of law that the USSC held up. It was working. Neither side was gaining any votes so voting for no change sounds reasonable.
But FYI: The North Carolina's Republican drawn map (the one that caused the Supreme Court case) has been approved by North Carolina's state court.
The USSC did not vote for "no change" to maps. They voted to allow state courts to approve the maps. The Republican-drawn map will be used in the 2024 election.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That's not always true and sometimes it's done to give marginalized communities a voice without having it drown out byaa majority group (such as funny looking district shapes that keep a black or Latino votes together).
The Constitution protects individual rights above all, including states rights.You operate in black and white, but rights are not that simple. But you are that simple.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Except those two often conflict. That doesn't give individual states the freedom to repress it's minority voters and populations that can't get representation.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And Republicans opposed even that limitation.