Utah counts down to firing squad execution

[Smokeless Indica]

True, there are some people you just can't help. They are most often those who won't help themselves. But you can indeed help, or at least attempt help, most people.

I've spent a lot of my teen years trying to help people.
They didn't want to help themselves and it just became a big waste of my time.
I need to get my life together before I try to help anyone again.
If I can't help myself how am I supposed to help others?

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

I've spent a lot of my teen years trying to help people.
They didn't want to help themselves and it just became a big waste of my time.
I need to get my life together before I try to help anyone again.
If I can't help myself how am I supposed to help others?

Smokeless, I see your point, but I think you're comparing apples to oranges here.

 

[Smokeless Indica]

Smokeless, I see your point, but I think you're comparing apples to oranges here.

I just got tired of wasting my time on people who didn't want to try to help themselves. I realized a few years ago that I need to just not worry about them anymore and get my own life together.

 

[Revoltingest]

When I finally get caught, I'll take a firing squad over any other method of execution. It's faster, more reliable, & less painful than all others....
....except maybe skydiving without a parachute. I'd choose the latter were it available. Imagine the thrill of a few minutes of soaring like a bird....or a rock.

 

[Smokeless Indica]

When I finally get caught, I'll take a firing squad over any other method of execution. It's faster, more reliable, & less painful than all others....
....except maybe skydiving without a parachute. I'd choose the latter were it available. Imagine the thrill of a few minutes of soaring like a bird....or a rock.

I would want to go quick

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

I just got tired of wasting my time on people who didn't want to try to help themselves. I realized a few years ago that I need to just not worry about them anymore and get my own life together.

I understand that, but this debate concerns people on death row.

 

[Darkness]

I am torn on the death penalty issue. I understand all the practical justifications for abolishing the death penalty, but if some guy raped and murdered my daughter, I would want him to die; and in general he had better hope the cops reach him first. Then again, I do not believe my emotional morality should be rule of law for an entire nation.

 

[Smokeless Indica]

I understand that, but this debate concerns people on death row.

I know this but people kept jumping on me because I don't have a problem with the death penalty. They kept jumping on me and asking me if I think it's right for innocent people to be executed. I don't think innocents should be executed but I belive if it can be proven WITHOUT a doubt that they did it than by all means execute. They were making me out to be some kind of monster. They were getting on me like I don't value human life and that I should care about every single person in the world.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

Humans, certain animals, and theoretically intelligent aliens. Really though, the further from human it is, the harder it is to empathize with it. That's just the nature of empathy. So is there anywhere you're trying to get with this, or are you just curious as to why somebody wouldn't want other people to get killed?

Well I am trying to see why you think human life is precious and also see if you are only empathetic towards your own species. I also kinda forgot what I was going to connect this to since it was a couple o' days ago. It would have been good. Anyway I was kind of mad when I saw how you basically attacked some people for their beliefs. Some people feel that certain crimes warrant death. Who are we to tell them what is right and wrong? Yes I think killing is indeed wrong, but are there situations when it is warranted? I don't know about that. To me that is a morally gray area. So I do not judge when people say it is okay or not. Now yes I feel sufficient evidence is indeed required. If we have any doubt whatsoever then someone should not be executed. However if it can be proven that someone, let's say, raped someone, then I think it is in societies best interest to remove them from it permanently. It is too big of a risk to allow them to live. Rape is one of those crimes I personally feel forfeits your right to life if committed. Of course I am not sure whether people should be executed for murder. That is kind of silly to kill someone for killing someone. Of course I think also think prison is a bad option for the most part. It really doesn't fix anything and it is really expensive. Anyway I personally feel life is of value. All life. I don't even kill bugs if I don't have to. Yet I still feel it is warranted to execute people for some crimes. Also I don't think it is right for some of the people on this thread to attack others for their beliefs. Especially since they are not completely extreme obviously wrong beliefs. They are just opposed to yours.

 

[KatNotKathy]

I'm attacking other people's beliefs because they are calling for people's executions, which I find barbaric. Not all opinions deserve respect.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

I've spent a lot of my teen years trying to help people.
They didn't want to help themselves and it just became a big waste of my time.
I need to get my life together before I try to help anyone again.
If I can't help myself how am I supposed to help others?

That is very mature and important I feel. One must definitely know how to help themselves if they are to help others. It doesn't make sense to try if you can't help yourself.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

I'm attacking other people's beliefs because they are calling for people's executions, which I find barbaric. Not all opinions deserve respect.

It is not as if they are bloodthirsty. They just feel that certain crimes warrant death. If a person knows full well that a crime they are going to commit means death then why commit the crime? In a situation where the law states( I am talking like rape or crimes of that nature) that death is the penalty, and a person knowingly and willingly commits this act they should be punished. That is just how it is. Honestly society would probably be better off in those cases anyways.

 

[Smokeless Indica]

Well I am trying to see why you think human life is precious and also see if you are only empathetic towards your own species. I also kinda forgot what I was going to connect this to since it was a couple o' days ago. It would have been good. Anyway I was kind of mad when I saw how you basically attacked some people for their beliefs. Some people feel that certain crimes warrant death. Who are we to tell them what is right and wrong? Yes I think killing is indeed wrong, but are there situations when it is warranted? I don't know about that. To me that is a morally gray area. So I do not judge when people say it is okay or not. Now yes I feel sufficient evidence is indeed required. If we have any doubt whatsoever then someone should not be executed. However if it can be proven that someone, let's say, raped someone, then I think it is in societies best interest to remove them from it permanently. It is too big of a risk to allow them to live. Rape is one of those crimes I personally feel forfeits your right to life if committed. Of course I am not sure whether people should be executed for murder. That is kind of silly to kill someone for killing someone. Of course I think also think prison is a bad option for the most part. It really doesn't fix anything and it is really expensive. Anyway I personally feel life is of value. All life. I don't even kill bugs if I don't have to. Yet I still feel it is warranted to execute people for some crimes. Also I don't think it is right for some of the people on this thread to attack others for their beliefs. Especially since they are not completely extreme obviously wrong beliefs. They are just opposed to yours.

I can understand how you think killing someone for murdering someone is pointless. If it wasn't for self defense or protecting a child then I feel that something needs to be done because there's a chance that they would do it again.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

I can understand how you think killing someone for murdering someone is pointless. If it wasn't for self defense or protecting a child then I feel that something needs to be done because there's a chance that they would do it again.

True. However I think we could find more constructive uses for such people. Maybe put them to work doing horrible jobs no one would ever do? That way they would be benefiting the society they harmed, but also be punished horribly for what they did.

 

[KatNotKathy]

I can understand how you think killing someone for murdering someone is pointless. If it wasn't for self defense or protecting a child then I feel that something needs to be done because there's a chance that they would do it again.

Well they can't exactly repeat their crimes if they're in jail, and it's already been established that even that is cheaper than executing somebody, so...

Basically imprisoning somebody is just as effective as killing them unless you're just trying to feed some sort of "eye for an eye" bloodlust.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

Well they can't exactly repeat their crimes if they're in jail, and it's already been established that even that is cheaper than executing somebody, so...

I can think of some cheap ways to execute a person.

 

[KatNotKathy]

I can think of some cheap ways to execute a person.

Which will result in a massive increase of executed innocents, well done

It's expensive for a very good reason.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

Which will result in a massive increase of executed innocents, well done

It's expensive for a very good reason.

Yeah yeah yeah. I know why it is expensive. Honestly our whole justice system needs to be redesigned.

 

[Smokeless Indica]

Noone on this thread is either right or wrong, it's subjective. Stop saying I'm some kind of bloodthirsty monster just because my views aren't the same as yours. (It may not have been said directly but it is implied.) Killing a person for a certain crime is no worse than killing an animal because it bit someone or killing a bug just because you don't like it.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

Noone on this thread is either right or wrong, it's subjective. Stop saying I'm some kind of bloodthirsty monster just because my views aren't the same as yours. (It may not have been said directly but it is implied.) Killing a person for a certain crime is no worse than killing an animal because it bit someone or killing a bug just because you don't like it.

I agree.