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Values and religion

mangalavara

नमस्कार
Premium Member
what values and questions lead you to the belief system you have?

One thing that led me to Hinduism was when I took some time to think about the ‘big questions.’ Who am I? Why am I here? Why is there suffering? Why is there happiness? What is the universe? Questions such as those. In the end, I found that the general worldview of the [Principal] Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita made sense of life, the world, and everything. Moreover, those scriptures gave everything a higher significance.

Regarding values, I found that Hinduism’s recognition of prosperity and emotional/sensual fulfillment as legitimate goals of the human being resonated with me. I also liked the tenets of universal dharma such as non-injury, truth, cleanliness, compassion, and liberality.

what values/questions being answered in your religion are cornerstone for you?

A cornerstone question answered in my religion is, ‘Who am I?’ My favorite answer is that I am not the body, not the mind, not the intellect, not the ego, rather, I am the Spirit—being, consciousness, and bliss absolute—who is ever free and pure. A cornerstone value in my religion is non-attachment. The less attached that I am to natural things, be they material or mental, the closer I am to Self-realization.

if someone were to argue against your religion or lack of what would they have to keep in mind

If their philosophy or religion is a Western one, they would probably have to keep in mind that we don’t see many things the same way. When it comes to time, for example, Westerners tend to think it is linear whereas Hindus tend to think it is cyclical. I’ve concluded that how we see time greatly influences many things: whether our relationship to the divine is more individual or collective, the nature of moral consequences, the hereafter, and our priorities.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I wasnt sure how to word this question. It popped im my mind reading another thread. Took me a minute to figure out how to word it. But what values and questions lead you to the belief system you have? And what values/questions being answered in your religion are cornerstone for you? Like if someone were to argue against your religion or lack of what would they have to keep in mind
Questions answered by any religion, politician, or - ism
are not for me
 

Audie

Veteran Member
One thing that led me to Hinduism was when I took some time to think about the ‘big questions.’ Who am I? Why am I here? Why is there suffering? Why is there happiness? What is the universe? Questions such as those. In the end, I found that the general worldview of the [Principal] Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita made sense of life, the world, and everything. Moreover, those scriptures gave everything a higher significance.

Regarding values, I found that Hinduism’s recognition of prosperity and emotional/sensual fulfillment as legitimate goals of the human being resonated with me. I also liked the tenets of universal dharma such as non-injury, truth, cleanliness, compassion, and liberality.



A cornerstone question answered in my religion is, ‘Who am I?’ My favorite answer is that I am not the body, not the mind, not the intellect, not the ego, rather, I am the Spirit—being, consciousness, and bliss absolute—who is ever free and pure. A cornerstone value in my religion is non-attachment. The less attached that I am to natural things, be they material or mental, the closer I am to Self-realization.



If their philosophy or religion is a Western one, they would probably have to keep in mind that we don’t see many things the same way. When it comes to time, for example, Westerners tend to think it is linear whereas Hindus tend to think it is cyclical. I’ve concluded that how we see time greatly influences many things: whether our relationship to the divine is more individual or collective, the nature of moral consequences, the hereafter, and our priorities.
I wonder why those are big or even real questions.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I wonder why those are big or even real questions.
I won't answer for @mangalavara, but I, personally, have struggled to accept what I'm told at face value and have been compelled to question everything.

I posted an article yesterday that has since disappeared that discusses how the narrative one creates for oneself is an illusion...that the 'self' is an illusion. Eastern philosophy has been saying this for over 2500 years and discoveries are being made in neuroscience that validate this.


The questions"who am I?", "why am I here?", and "why is there suffering?" are the foundations of many philosophies, and there are branches of science that are dedicated to answering "what is the universe?"

This is, in my opinion, why these are both "big" and "real" questions.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I won't answer for @mangalavara, but I, personally, have struggled to accept what I'm told at face value and have been compelled to question everything.

I posted an article yesterday that has since disappeared that discusses how the narrative one creates for oneself is an illusion...that the 'self' is an illusion. Eastern philosophy has been saying this for over 2500 years and discoveries are being made in neuroscience that validate this.


The questions"who am I?", "why am I here?", and "why is there suffering?" are the foundations of many philosophies, and there are branches of science that are dedicated to answering "what is the universe?"

This is, in my opinion, why these are both "big" and "real" questions.
Guess I'm not a seeker, it being
obvious to me that life's persistent questions
don't have answers and are idle things to
pursue.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Guess I'm not a seeker, it being
obvious to me that life's persistent questions
don't have answers and are idle things to
pursue.
Fair enough.

But I think it's important to point out that if everyone thought this way, the is so much less that we would understand about ourselves and the world we live in.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Fair enough.

But I think it's important to point out that if everyone thought this way, the is so much less that we would understand about ourselves and the world we live in.
Observing all the time and energy that goes into
religious observan es and practices, the closed rigid
mindset that so many develop, the almost :)
religious attachment to the answers their chosen
pretends to supply, it seems the opposite to me.

The fanatical, utterly blind, ignorant devotion to
antiscientific nonsense we see on RF!

I'm far from advocating we not think, see faces
in clouds, research. When someone detects a
way to advance underdtanding, go for it.
Praying to an empty sky ain't it.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
what values and questions lead you to the belief system you have?
My most fundamental beliefs are skepticism (nothing should be believed by faith), that reality is understood empirically (empiricism), that governments should promote the most opportunity for the most people to pursue happiness as they understand it (utilitarianism), and that I should treat others with as much kindness, respect, and dignity as they allow. All of the rest including agnostic atheism seems to follow naturally from there and is identical to the Affirmations of Humanism.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Seems inappropriate response to me.

Wish I had not wasted my time,
being sincere
I understand.

I just found your overgeneralization of religion and a refusal to expand your knowledge of what religion actually is beyond your personal experience with it to be a bit insulting to those are religious.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I understand.

I just found your overgeneralization of religion and a refusal to expand your knowledge of what religion actually is beyond your personal experience with it to be a bit insulting to those are religious.
I dont think you do understand.
As in " I just..."

Your chosen interpretation of what I said is what
you choose to find insulting to you.

The " refusal" part, if not a deliberate personal
insult, will do till a more focused one comes along.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I dont think you do understand.
As in " I just..."

Your chosen interpretation of what I said is what
you choose to find insulting to you.

The " refusal" part, if not a deliberate personal
insult, will do till a more focused one comes along.
You’re confusing an insulting comment with my being insulted. I assure you I wasn’t. I’ve given no one that authority over me.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
You’re confusing an insulting comment with my being insulted. I assure you I wasn’t. I’ve given no one that authority over me.


I stated how I see things, and gave examples. I am sincere, and no insult was intended. You chose to see whats not there and respond with sarcasm, and belittling my integrity, rather than addressing what i said.

I think I'm quite justified seeing that as inappropriate.
 
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mangalavara

नमस्कार
Premium Member
What do you mean by those words,
if I may ask?

Greater meaning and greater purpose are meanings and purposes that are larger—or maybe deeper—than familial, academic, career, and political meanings and purposes. A transcendental matter is anything concerned with what is beyond all that is physical.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Greater meaning and greater purpose are meanings and purposes that are larger—or maybe deeper—than familial, academic, career, and political meanings and purposes. A transcendental matter is anything concerned with what is beyond all that is physical.
OK. Not meaningful to me.
 
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