Various religious views on evolution

[firedragon]

I could get used to it.

So many years, and I still hate it.

One day in this forum I said "pork" and it changed into poke. Twice. And two ladies kicked my dignity out of this universe.

 

[firedragon]

Many years ago I read and profited from Kapleau's "Three Pillars of Zen".

Hmm. Just that I don't like to read books written by preachers. I like to read either original sources of the inventor or the prophet himself, or direct sources that quote direct scripture and only exegetes them.

Yet, thank you for giving me a source to read. We are so ignorant there is no stopping on how much we could learn.

Kapleau it is.

 

[Secret Chief]

I like to read ... original sources

I appreciate that sentiment. Well you could start with Dogen's Shobogenzo then. The definitive English translation is about 1200 pages. See you in the next lifetime

 

[firedragon]

I appreciate that sentiment. Well you could start with Dogen's Shobogenzo then. The definitive English translation is about 1200 pages. See you in the next lifetime

So it seems like you are discouraging me to read up. Alles Gut.

You missed the part where I said I like to read those who quote original sources.

Anyway, thanks for another reference. Cheers.

 

[Secret Chief]

So it seems like you are discouraging me to read up. Alles Gut.

You missed the part where I said I like to read those who quote original sources.

Anyway, thanks for another reference. Cheers.

Not to discourage, just letting you know the lie of the land.

Master Dogen's Shobogenzo (Books 1-4). Nishijima & Cross.

(for the avoidance of doubt, I've not read it!)

 

[YoursTrue]

That would be more like marg or patha in Sanskrit.

chuckle, ok.

 

[firedragon]

Not to discourage, just letting you know the lie of the land.

Master Dogen's Shobogenzo (Books 1-4). Nishijima & Cross.

(for the avoidance of doubt, I've not read it!)

Then you have put a crime trying to put me through that kind of length. I'm just kidding.

Yet, have you read the Tipitaka? I can't remember how many pages it was but if you have not read it, let me give you a hint.

There are four sections right along with the attha katha? The first one is Vinaya Pitaka which is is the shortest. The first volume of that is Vinaya Parajika. Only Vinaya Parajika is over 300 pages. Like that there are 57 different volumes. Just make a count 300 X 57 how many pages that is. That's about 17,100 pages. Fascinating. These some of the most amazing literature, but as long as one could imagine.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Whats the difference between Vinaya Pitaka and Abhidhamma Pitaka or Sutta Pitaka? Same word.

Firedragon, I understand Buddha. And after understanding Buddha, I felt no need to go into polemics. I have not studied the scholarly treatises.

My God mate. I asked you what "Kusala Dhamma" means.

That is a new word for me. I have read about kusal and akusal desires.

 

[firedragon]

Firedragon, I understand Buddha. And after understanding Buddha, I felt no need to go into polemics. I have not studied the scholarly treatises.

This is not polemics. I am asking you on simple language of the pitaka's just to show you the difference in usage. If you do the research by yourself, you will learn something.

That is a new word for me. I have read about kusal and akusal desires.

When you put "desire" there, it specifies the predicate.

 

[Aupmanyav]

'Pitaka' is a chest. The modern Hindi word for it is 'Pitari'.

 

[Tiberius]

So if you're a Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Hindu, Muslim, or of another religious belief, what does your religion teach about evolution.

Why do you think evolution should be taught by religion? Do you ask, "What does your religion teach you about relativity?"

 

[Secret Chief]

Then you have put a crime trying to put me through that kind of length. I'm just kidding.

Yet, have you read the Tipitaka? I can't remember how many pages it was but if you have not read it, let me give you a hint.

There are four sections right along with the attha katha? The first one is Vinaya Pitaka which is is the shortest. The first volume of that is Vinaya Parajika. Only Vinaya Parajika is over 300 pages. Like that there are 57 different volumes. Just make a count 300 X 57 how many pages that is. That's about 17,100 pages. Fascinating. These some of the most amazing literature, but as long as one could imagine.

I've read enough as a tool over the years but not as much as you it seems! My journey has long since taken me on from the Tipitaka to the Mahayana and contemporary exponents such as Stephen Batchelor and Brad Warner. For me, I have treated Buddhism as a vehicle for living, not as a field of study or literature.

If I post again in this thread it will be in respect of evolution!

 

[firedragon]

I've read enough as a tool over the years but not as much as you it seems! My journey has long since taken me on from the Tipitaka to the Mahayana and contemporary exponents such as Stephen Batchelor and Brad Warner. For me, I have treated Buddhism as a vehicle for living, not as a field of study or literature.

If I post again in this thread it will be in respect of evolution!

Well, everyone has different objectives. That's how the world moves. I respect that.

Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

'Pitaka' is a chest. The modern Hindi word for it is 'Pitari'.

Oh my God. Mate. Stop googling random words someone says and proclaiming meanings you find so easily for no reason.

Pitaka means a container. When you carry vegetables in a vessel, that's a Pitaka. In Sanskrit it is still referred to as pitaka. But if you really want a meaningful word in Sanskrit it will be Pathalaka with an aspirate. Not like Pali. Do you understand? In Pali the pronunciation is the T in English. In Sanskrit its "th".

 

[Aupmanyav]

Oh my God. Mate. Stop googling random words someone says and proclaiming meanings you find so easily for no reason.

Pitaka means a container. When you carry vegetables in a vessel, that's a Pitaka. In Sanskrit it is still referred to as pitaka. But if you really want a meaningful word in Sanskrit it will be Pathalaka with an aspirate. Not like Pali. Do you understand? In Pali the pronunciation is the T in English. In Sanskrit its "th".

It is 't' in North India and 'th' in South India.
"Learning Tamil (Thamiz) through English: A Text cum work ..."

पटलक m. paTalaka little chest or box or basket
Sanskrit - Dictionary
(It is a hard 'T', Moordhanya, Retroflex, Aghosha, Alpaprana)
Devanagari - Wikipedia

Firedragon, you are discussing this with a native.

 

[firedragon]

It is 't' in North India and 'th' in South India.

I was speaking about Sanskrit. And I know it does not change based on geography. But maybe you are referring to different languages in India.

पटलक m. paTalaka little chest or box or basket
Sanskrit - Dictionary
(It is a hard 'T', Moordhanya, Retroflex, Aghosha, Alpaprana)
Devanagari - Wikipedia

Err. Mate. It's not Dhanthaka. Not "tha" as in "The or this" in English. Pronounced as an A-Ghosha. Soft. Little bit of strength. Alpa-Prana. Small Strength.

Don't talk nonsense Aup. Peta is a basket in Sanskrit. Petaka is also basket as in a gathering basket. Pitaka in Pali is the same. You were giving some other nonsense earlier for what ever reason only God would know.

iredragon, you are discussing this with a native.

You don't know who I am Aup. This is an internet based forum. People who claim "I am the king" are insignificant in this arena. No Phd's, no nativities or superiorities matter here. It's one reason I never tell anyone who I am, where I come from or what papers I can claim to have. And don't really respect people who claim they know something because they are something. In this very forum I have seen people claim to be Phd's who speak absolute garbage. One guy is a lecturer at a university in NT major but doesn't know the synoptic problem. I could not laugh more. One guy has a Phd in mathematics but thinks paradoxes are real. I'm sorry I just can't help myself. There was another person claiming to be an MA in theology but didn't know a redaction. So whenever anyone claims this kind of thing, I put them in a particular "basket" and regard them as posers. That's about it.

By the way Aup. You spoke of Tamil right?? South India? You are a native right? So you know what Petti means right? Some pronounce it Potti. Is that a basket? Is that a box? Is that similar to Peta, Petaka, Pitaka? They are all the same.

I have no clue what it is in Hindi which is your language, but you see, I am no native, so I have no right to speak about Indian languages. That's your cancel culture.

Cheers.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why do you think evolution should be taught by religion? Do you ask, "What does your religion teach you about relativity?"

Relativity and evolution are two rather different topics. Evolution contrasts with what the holy scriptures say about how life came about on the earth, as well as the heavens. So if a person believes in evolution, how can he put his trust in God as outlined in the Holy Scriptures?

 

[YoursTrue]

I was speaking about Sanskrit. And I know it does not change based on geography. But maybe you are referring to different languages in India.



Err. Mate. It's not Dhanthaka. Not "tha" as in "The or this" in English. Pronounced as an A-Ghosha. Soft. Little bit of strength. Alpa-Prana. Small Strength.

Don't talk nonsense Aup. Peta is a basket in Sanskrit. Petaka is also basket as in a gathering basket. Pitaka in Pali is the same. You were giving some other nonsense earlier for what ever reason only God would know.



You don't know who I am Aup. This is an internet based forum. People who claim "I am the king" are insignificant in this arena. No Phd's, no nativities or superiorities matter here. It's one reason I never tell anyone who I am, where I come from or what papers I can claim to have. And don't really respect people who claim they know something because they are something. In this very forum I have seen people claim to be Phd's who speak absolute garbage. One guy is a lecturer at a university in NT major but doesn't know the synoptic problem. I could not laugh more. One guy has a Phd in mathematics but thinks paradoxes are real. I'm sorry I just can't help myself. There was another person claiming to be an MA in theology but didn't know a redaction. So whenever anyone claims this kind of thing, I put them in a particular "basket" and regard them as posers. That's about it.

By the way Aup. You spoke of Tamil right?? South India? You are a native right? So you know what Petti means right? Some pronounce it Potti. Is that a basket? Is that a box? Is that similar to Peta, Petaka, Pitaka? They are all the same.

I have no clue what it is in Hindi which is your language, but you see, I am no native, so I have no right to speak about Indian languages. That's your cancel culture.

Cheers.

You made me smile there when you said it doesn't matter if someone here says he is a king, the king, or whatever. Because this is, as you say, the internet. It's almost the same as claiming education about a subject.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Err. Mate. It's not Dhanthaka. Not "tha" as in "The or this" in English. Pronounced as an A-Ghosha. Soft. Little bit of strength. Alpa-Prana. Small Strength.

Don't talk nonsense Aup. Peta is a basket in Sanskrit. Petaka is also basket as in a gathering basket. Pitaka in Pali is the same. You were giving some other nonsense earlier for what ever reason only God would know.

I have lost the track of discussions.
Yes, you are right, peTa is a basket or a bag. One more meaning of that is stomach, which also is a bag though with an inlet and an outlet. You can find all those in the Sanskrit dictionary site.
What you term as Danthaka would be known in North India as Dantaka. That is why Ganesha is called Ek Danta. In Bengal perhaps it is pronouned as 'Donto'. These are regional differences in India, which I am sure are there in your country also.

 

[firedragon]

I have lost the track of discussions.
Yes, you are right, peTa is a basket or a bag. One more meaning of that is stomach, which also is a bag though with an inlet and an outlet. You can find all those in the Sanskrit dictionary site.
What you term as Danthaka would be known in North India as Dantaka. That is why Ganesha is called Ek Danta. In Bengal perhaps it is pronouned as 'Donto'. These are regional differences in India, which I am sure are there in your country also.

The thing is Aup. I have never in my life studied the English transliteration. So when you say Dantaka, it sounds seriously strange to me. The reason is I do not know languages through English. I know English as English, and other languages like Arabic through Arabic. As an Indian, I am sure you understand this.

I understand there are regional differences in India. Good God. If anyone should think about regional differences and language, India must be the greatest case study in the whole wide world. But, when it comes to one single language, it is universal. I don't know Indian or asian languages to understand the diversity. One language does have varying pronunciations. But, Sanskrit is universal. That I do know. Pali is universal. That's probably because they are very old languages and people study them as one language, not speak them as day to day vyavahara. Now I don't know how vyavahara is written in English? How is it written? How do I really write that? Is it Vi or Vy? Should Hara be Haara because it's a long vowel? How in the world do you write a long vowel in English?

Aup. It's great to have a Hindu like you in the forum where people like us could learn the insider story. But I would like to request you to not get hooked on the English transliteration of languages. Let me give you an example.

You said that Ganesha is known as "Ek Danta". Now, I don't know Hinduism to that level. But from a linguistic point of view, what the hell is "Ek". It's not Ek as in egg? It's pronounced like "Ache". Correct? It's exactly pronounced like "Ache". But you will never write it as "Ache Dhantha". It sounds stupid. Lol. It sounds like I have a toothache. Dhantha means tooth. Or lets say "theethy". So Ache dhantha in English sounds like a toothache.

By the way, I didn't know Ganesha was called Ek Danta. Why is that?

Edit. I think now I get it. Ganesha is the elephant God. The tusker. A tusk is a tooth. That's the reason he is called Dhantha. Oh my bloody God. It's so fascinating.

Cheers.