Venezuela's unrest after Maduro's re-election

[Estro Felino]

It seems to me that Maduro (who should ask for Russia's protection) doesn't want his own country to be colonized by an elitist gangs of usurers who want to become billionaire by stealing the oil from Venezuelans.

I am a socialist. I believe in the socialist values that oppose usurocracy.
So I believe that there are people who are disposed to do anything to serve the elitist usurocracy.

What do you guys think?

 

[Estro Felino]

I really value your take, since you live in a neighboring country.
@LuisDantas

 

[LuisDantas]

The ellection is a fraud. Maduro spared no measure to make it hard for people to even contemplate voting for someone else.

Even on its own terms, it has simply not provided the data about the results.

That is besides and before considering the truculence and the diplomatic tensions.

The way I see it, either Maduro accepts the serious loss of legitimacy and credibility and hangs on to power for a while more (risking an eventual violent overthrow) or he accepts instead that the time to let go has come.

In practice there are three reasonably likely outcomes.

1. Maduro has an epiphany of sorts, declares the ellections invalid, and accepts new ones with more respect for the voters in, say, a couple of months.

2. Maduro refuses to acknowledge how fraudulent this was and hangs on to power to eventually flee.

3. Maduro refuses to acknowledge how fraudulent this was and hangs on to power to eventually meet a violent end.

Not really seeing a fourth way.

 

[Estro Felino]

The ellection is a fraud. Maduro spared no measure to make it hard for people to even contemplate voting for someone else.

No evidence of that.
As there was no evidence of fraud in 2020 US elections.

Even on its own terms, it has simply not provided the data about the results.

That's interesting. I didn't know that.

That is besides and before considering the truculence and the diplomatic tensions.

Tensions...With whom?

The way I see it, either Maduro accepts the serious loss of legitimacy and credibility and hangs on to power for a while more (risking an eventual violent overthrow) or he accepts instead that the time to let go has come.

I understand. So he should give away the power to the servants of the Western usurocracy?
I mean... with all due respect...
I don't think this is a very leftist thing to say...and I thought you were a leftist...

In practice there are three reasonably likely outcomes.

1. Maduro has an epiphany of sorts, declares the elections invalid, and accepts new ones with more respect for the voters in, say, a couple of months.

I don't know whether they are invalid.
If the elitist cabal of warmongers from the US says they are invalid, it means they are valid.

2. Maduro refuses to acknowledge how fraudulent this was and hangs on to power to eventually flee.

Unless Russia helps him.
Even your country can help him. You know...Lula.

3. Maduro refuses to acknowledge how fraudulent this was and hangs on to power to eventually meet a violent end.

Like Argentina in 1976? Isabelita Peròn was in power. No wonder Satan's servant, Videla came to power.

Now there is a big strong man who can have the Russian protection.

Not really seeing a fourth way.

Thank you for your insightful and detailed response.

 

[LuisDantas]

No evidence of that.
As there was no evidence of fraud in 2020 US elections.

You really have to work at your communication skills. If this is sarcasm, it must be better signaled.

That's interesting. I didn't know that.

There are several organizations and governments complaining that the end results were announced with no context or data whatsoever.

Even now there is pressure for the voting results to be released - but of course that has dubious value without the proper timing and supervision.

The situation is ongoing - and incidentally, it has created a measure of inner tensions here in Brazil as responses mismatch somewhat.

Tensions...With whom?

Are you unaware that at least seven countries had their diplomatic missions repelled from Venezuela since the fraudulent ellections?

I understand. So he should give away the power to the servants of the Western usurocracy?

I don't know. I have not read that fantasy book that you so love.

Not wasting my time trying to reconstruct the plot either. So you are on your own.

I mean... with all due respect...

Don't bother.

I don't think this is a very leftist thing to say...and I thought you were a leftist...

I am, and I would consider my credentials far better than yours.

Not that I care for your validation, mind you. That ship has sailed a long time ago.

I don't know whether they are invalid.

Yeah. There is a lot that you don't know. I assume that it is in some way, shape or form bliss to you.[/quote]

 

[Estro Felino]

You really have to work at your communication skills. If this is sarcasm, it must be better signaled.

I take it as a compliment.

There are several organizations and governments complaining that the end results were announced with no context or data whatsoever.

Even now there is pressure for the voting results to be released - but of course that has dubious value without the proper timing and supervision.

The situation is ongoing - and incidentally, it has created a measure of inner tensions here in Brazil as responses mismatch somewhat.

Well...let's see how it turns out.

Are you unaware that at least seven countries had their diplomatic missions repelled from Venezuela since the fraudulent elections?

USA for sure is among these seven.
Then...there surely is the Argentina ruled by the king of privatizations.
Whom you probably admire.

I am, and I would consider my credentials far better than yours.

I don't think so.
With all due respect... (and please, do take it as a compliment) I think you sound too refined, too grand, too elitist to belong to some socialist party.
There is also the bankers' left. You know... a left-wing whose leaders are bankers.

Not that I care for your validation, mind you. That ship has sailed a long time ago.

Latin America's geopolitics is incredibly complex. But if I needed to choose between Milei and Lula, I would choose Lula.

For the record: many rightists here don't side with Milei.