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video Kraut takes a poke at: Marxism, Christianity, Islam, Paganism

Brickjectivity

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Don't be fooled by the title which at first seems like some kind of religion bashing. It actually is not. He begins by disagreeing with Marx about what destroyed tribal society in Europe. He says that tribal kinship based society was dead by 11th century due to Christianity, due to the Vikings, the Hungarians and the Muslims. This (he claims) causes capitalism to appear since it creates a need for land ownership. This, in turn leads to laws allowing women to own property. He also says that in both Christian and Muslim lands the rule of law becomes typical such that these religions undermine (by enshrining law as rule) their own influence while in other places laws function only as tools for leaders to promote harmony.

The title is "How Christianity Destroyed the Tribal Family" but his presentation favors no society or opposes any religion, and he states opinions without any reserve about who is offended. Rather than an attack it feels more like an intriguing analysis of History. In the end he doesn't even criticize Christianity for destroying kinship societies but analyzes its effects, and knowing about this benefits us.

Its an interesting lecture, so I hope somebody else enjoys it, too.
 

MikeF

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Don't be fooled by the title which at first seems like some kind of religion bashing. It actually is not. He begins by disagreeing with Marx about what destroyed tribal society in Europe. He says that tribal kinship based society was dead by 11th century due to Christianity, due to the Vikings, the Hungarians and the Muslims. This (he claims) causes capitalism to appear since it creates a need for land ownership. This, in turn leads to laws allowing women to own property. He also says that in both Christian and Muslim lands the rule of law becomes typical such that these religions undermine (by enshrining law as rule) their own influence while in other places laws function only as tools for leaders to promote harmony.

The title is "How Christianity Destroyed the Tribal Family" but his presentation favors no society or opposes any religion, and he states opinions without any reserve about who is offended. Rather than an attack it feels more like an intriguing analysis of History. In the end he doesn't even criticize Christianity for destroying kinship societies but analyzes its effects, and knowing about this benefits us.

Its an interesting lecture, so I hope somebody else enjoys it, too.

Haven't watched the video but I'll ask a general question. Even if Christianity destroyed the tribal family, is there an expectation that it would have survived anyway as populations grew and culture and technology continually evolved?

Is it a good thing that tribal families have died, a bad thing, or neither here not there?
 

Brickjectivity

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Haven't watched the video but I'll ask a general question. Even if Christianity destroyed the tribal family, is there an expectation that it would have survived anyway as populations grew and culture and technology continually evolved?
According to the video: no. At least that's what I took from it on that point. You might get a different vibe from it. As for my and what I think uh...no. I think 'No', because of what I see with families not respecting elders much. Even when elders are not put into rest homes they nevertheless spend a lot of time alone. This could never, in my opinion, lead back to a kinship based society and certainly could not lead to a demonetization of land. But that's my guess, and I am not a historian. I've no idea what life is like in a kinship society or how good or bad it is, except that individuals have little control over the course of our lives in such a society.

Is it a good thing that tribal families have died, a bad thing, or neither here not there?
He didn't make a conclusion about it. Some of the results he gave were that: 'Kinship based society' disappeared in Europe, where kinship societies functioned through rule by ancestors such that one couldn't simply buy and sell land in a kinship based society. The end of kinship society he concluded was mainly what gave rise to capitalism.
 
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