Wages and Poverty

[Revoltingest]

Is it bickering when one questions misleading claims?

Some questions are niggling.

 

[Revoltingest]

I haven't seen it be a generality. Public housing usually isn't the best, but it usually has a bare minimum above many private units that I've seen. Better maintained as well.

Public housing is crap.
Private housing is better for those who can
afford more than a very low bare minimum.
Been there & done that, both as renter &
landlord.
Public housing....managed by the kind of people
who become cops, IRS agents, DMV drones,
politicians, & all the other low lifes in government.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Public housing is crap.
Private housing is better for those who can
afford more than a very low bare minimum.
Been there & done that, both as renter &
landlord.
Public housing....managed by the kind of people
who become cops, IRS agents, DMV drones,
politicians, & all the other low lifes in government.

That affording it part is the key word. When you can't, private housing often sucks.

 

[Revoltingest]

That affording it part is the key word. When you can't, private housing often sucks.

Government isn't providing it.
So the private market does.
Some posters want it all "socialized".
Be careful what you wish for.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Once they get the skills to qualify for higher paying jobs, what's preventing them?

See prior laundry list.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I haven't seen it be a generality. Public housing usually isn't the best, but it usually has a bare minimum above many private units that I've seen. Better maintained as well.

Yeah, I've lived in a legit slum owned by a private landlord. When I tried to report him for code violations, no one got back to me. The house should've been condemned and torn down. It was basically torture just having to stay there. Public housing certainly has problems, too, as I am experiencing right now. But at least they won't kick me out on a whim.

 

[Revoltingest]

But at least they won't kick me out on a whim.

In MI, you can be kicked out without due process
if you're in housing run by the state. Private
landlords must go to court.
For most people, private housing is far better than
public. There's no need to make it all housing public
(as the poster proposed) just because the poor can't
afford better.

 

[Kfox]

Well, first of all, you have presented no basis for that number.

Second of all, even if I took this claim at face value, that doesn't mean a whole lot, because the majority of people aren't working in "good paying jobs" to begin with.

In the US, average incomes have been steadily rising above the median income level (that is, the level at which 50% of all workers earn less), implying that the portion of the workforce who can reach highest wincome levels has been steadily decreasing for the past 20 years or so.

I was just making the point that people with no skills who work starter jobs do have access to better paying jobs once they get skills. I base this on just about everybody I know with a decent job who has at some time in their lives worked a low paying starter job..

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In MI, you can be kicked out without due process
if you're in housing run by the state. Private
landlords must go to court.
For most people, private housing is far better than
public. There's no need to make it all housing public
(as the poster proposed) just because the poor can't
afford better.

There needs to be tenant's rights laws that are clear and fair. I can't afford private rental, so that's out of the question for me. But sometimes it goes too far the other way. My ex-upstairs neighbor terrorized and bullied me for a couple of years. He pulled a shotgun on people (while on probation so he isn't supposed to have firearms at all), threatened to kill me and my dog, had hookers over regularly, was abusing (beating and raping) women and had the SWAT team lock down the neighborhood at one point last year. He was never evicted over it. He only left when he decided to run off and skip states. I'm considering suing my housing organization over emotional distress, at least for that alone. There's other problems, too, with the crappy property manager they have assigned right now.

 

[Kfox]

Franchise owners aren't the corporate owners. Amd that's a part of what makes being one attractive. The franchisee gets to own the store while paying royalties to use the name, images and products of a much larger corporation. That also can help to reduce the financial risk of the franchisee.

I was just refuting your claim that McDonalds could afford to pay their employees as much as you claimed they could.

No, because you left a ton of numbers and facts out. Like how much the store makes, all of it's bills, royalties, and many other parts that must be considered for such a thing.

I think the average store made approx 2.5 million per year; most of that information was in the link I provided. But what difference does it make? What does that info have to do with your claim that they could pay a lot higher wage?

 

[Kfox]

Can make does mean will make. If its up to 72k, the average would likely be much lower.

My point is they pay much better than minimum wage.

 

[Kfox]

It would make sense in an environment where wage labor has been abolished.

I would have no problem with it done somewhere else where I don't have to live; I just think it is a bad idea to be done here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My point is they pay much better than minimum wage.

Better than minimum wage doesn't necessarily mean good pay. And don't forget that's not an average.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I was just refuting your claim that McDonalds could afford to pay their employees as much as you claimed they could.

Yeah. McDonalds. Not franchisees.

 

[Kfox]

Yeah. McDonalds. Not franchisees.

What evidence do you have that non franchisee stores can pay more?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What evidence do you have that non franchisee stores can pay more?

They rake in the money yet they own and operate very few stores themselves. They could easily take less from franchisees and trim their excess (like advertising and plastering the logo on everything) to make up the difference.

 

[Kfox]

They rake in the money yet they own and operate very few stores themselves. They could easily take less from franchisees and trim their excess (like advertising and plastering the logo on everything) to make up the difference.

How do you know what they can do? Do you work at the corporate level? Or are you just talkin' out the side of yo neck!

 

[Friend of Mara]

Source?

Here is a factcheck. Technically if you'd like it says the original claim was false but the underlying fact is true.

FACT CHECK: Are There More Than 633,000 Homeless People And 13.9 Million Vacant Homes In The US?

I know what tenant farming is.
Calling it slavery is an insult to actual slavery.

Perhaps a fair criticism of my statement. However in defense of it prior to the 1920's the most common job was subsistence farming in the US. Tenant farmers after slavery was abolished was the replacement of that "lost resource". The treatment of these people were not at an acceptable level. Many that were black and tenant farmers had it almost if not equally worse than when they were enslaved due to the quick and effective work of the antebellum of the south.

Are you unaware of renting apartments & homes?
It's been going on long before the 1920s.

The late 1800's in Europe are the first apartments though the experiences are not necessarily equivalent to today's system. The 1920 in the US is when we started contracted renting as we see it today.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Not in the USA. In the USA the greater the inequality, usually the better the poor are financially.

That is possibly the most false thing I've ever read. Care to elaborate?

 

[esmith]

Those start at $20-$25/hour.

Oh, you mean someone in the skilled labor market.