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Wages and Poverty

ADigitalArtist

ADigitalArtist

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Friend of Mara said:
Sorry to interject but a point I'd like to make on the housing market. It won't get better unless we outlaw commercial corporate housing markets. Proper limitations on how many properties someone can own commercially. I don't think we could outlaw renting as it is right now and how much landlords would be able to profit before they would be considered a corporation is probably a big discussion to have.

But at the very least if you rent you should be renting from a person. Not a faceless corporation with thousands of homes.
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I agree but I also think rental protection needs to be for everyone, not just people under corporate-controlled apartments. As is right now there's virtually no reason for any landlord to look at UBI and not see a consequence free rent inflation.
 
Yerda

Yerda

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Friend of Mara said:
Sorry to interject but a point I'd like to make on the housing market. It won't get better unless we outlaw commercial corporate housing markets. Proper limitations on how many properties someone can own commercially. I don't think we could outlaw renting as it is right now and how much landlords would be able to profit before they would be considered a corporation is probably a big discussion to have.

But at the very least if you rent you should be renting from a person. Not a faceless corporation with thousands of homes.
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A programme of building publicly owned housing could sort this.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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Kfox said:
My biggest problem with UBI is the vast majority of the money goes to people who don't need it! I can't think of a worse example of waste than UBI
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Consider that those who least need it
would be paying the most taxes towards it.
 
K

Kfox

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Shadow Wolf said:
That's not even addressing his point, which is there aren't enough high paying jobs for all the qualified candidates.
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I didn't say "high" paying jobs, I said good paying jobs. Jobs like city transit driver, UPS delivery driver, post office, etc. I see advertisements for those type of job openings more now than ever before
 
Friend of Mara

Friend of Mara

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Revoltingest said:
We private housing providers are better
landlords than government.
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I'll be honest I don't have a perfect view of how an "end goal" should work. However the commodification of housing has been a determent to society as a whole. Which is why most of my thoughts are more preoccupied with steps that can make things better rather than perfect. But there surely is a better system than we have now.

On a totally unrelated notes have you ever heard of the diggers?
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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ADigitalArtist said:
I live near Intel headquarters and they are struggling because they haven't eliminated the educational and experience requirements for high paying jobs. So most candidates who need work won't be eligible without considerable financial and time they don't have. (This happened to my brother.) This is also after they cut hundreds of jobs to try and keep laborers at the minimum to get things done. Effectively doubling the workload of existing laborers.

The vast majority of jobs vacant in the US are low pay or low benefit non-union service jobs. Ones people have been complaining are explotive and not keeping up with inflation for decades now.
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Experience requirements are probably the worst. I can see it for a select few positions, but it's an unreasonable burden many have set too high.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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Friend of Mara said:
I'll be honest I don't have a perfect view of how an "end goal" should work. However the commodification of housing has been a determent to society as a whole.
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You see a detriment.
I see a benefit.
When housing was needed, developers,
construction companies, & landlords provided.
But there surely is a better system than we have now.
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The UBI.
And don't call me Shirley.
On a totally unrelated notes have you ever heard of the diggers?
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I've dug may holes & ditches.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

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Friend of Mara said:
I am interested in the responses of all different sides of the political spectrum. TBH I'm not sure where I am with this and have no real answers.

As the economy exists there are jobs that only pay poverty wages. Therefore poverty exists even within the working class. This seems a totally separate issue from disabled people, homeless/jobless people. I am so far only able to come up with three possible conclusions. Not answers but just conclusions about the current state of affairs.

1 These poverty jobs are jobs that are not worth doing and people should shift to only jobs that pay enough.

2 These poverty jobs are jobs worth doing or are necessary and therefore need to be paid enough to not live in poverty.

3 A portion of our working class is simply required to be in poverty.

Is there a hidden 4th option I missed?
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I'll take option 2.

My wonderful employer:
Disturbing New Report Shows Dire Conditions For Grocery Workers - In These Times

I'm in that camp, myself. I haven't been able to pay my rent in months and can barely afford other bills or food. Their starting wages where I live are quite embarrassing, $11/hour, when you can make more at Walmart, Target and even McDonald's. I'm on the verge of quitting and finding something, anything that pays more because I can't survive like this. I'm being worked half to death, too. I barely get enough sleep (which leads to me making mistakes, as I did last night as I was so exhausted), am stressed and angry much of the time and am in physical pain a lot as my position requires a lot of physical labor and frequent heavy lifting/pushing/pulling. I've been in so much pain at work that I've broken down in tears. Some of us are developing drinking problems from it. If we had one before, it's gotten worse due to it.

And they wonder why they can't retain workers and why people aren't applying. There's a really bad shortage of workers at my store, due to people quitting all the time and them not being able to replace them, so they expect the rest of us to pick up the slack by working in any department they send us to, even when it's not the department we were hired for. It's a very evil corporation and the CEO doesn't care at all about his slaves, even as the company rakes in billions in profit (it's the largest grocer in the US) and the CEO takes home tens of millions. The union doesn't do much, either, in my experience.

As for starter jobs, they don't really train people, either. If you have no experience at my job, you're just thrown out there and expected to learn as you go. Some people in my department weren't trained at all, because they couldn't spare anyone to do it. Management breaks labor and OSHA rules, too, by letting minors operate industrial equipment because there's no qualified adults around to do it.
 
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