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Wanna Tell Us Some Interesting History?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I know the forum is for debates, but I wanted one about history.
But as always, a debate (an argument, but with less blood) could ensue.

My first offering, is about how The Simpsons (the greatest
achievement of western civilization) changed the world.
For your embiggenment.....
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
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Interesting. I actually got bored with The Simpsons after the first couple seasons and only watched it sporadically after that. I can't even remember the last time I watched a Simpsons episode. Some people like it, and that's fine, but it never did much for me.

I think Star Trek had a bigger influence. I've posted this one before:

 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
On my recent plane trip (back to Revoltistan!), I watched the movie, "Score".
I highly recommend it.
My only criticism is that it should've been twice as long,
with more Danny Elfman & Bernard Herrmann clips.
About the movie....

The movie...
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I know the forum is for debates, but I wanted one about history.
But as always, a debate (an argument, but with less blood) could ensue.

My first offering, is about how The Simpsons (the greatest
achievement of western civilization) changed the world.
For your embiggenment.....
I have a cromulent addition to embiggen your understanding. Jay Ward had adult figures in their cartoons (Boris, Natasha) and adult jokes. A classic adult joke about income taxes was the subject of a Mr. Peabody and Edgar Allen Poe segment:

 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have a cromulent addition to embiggen your understanding. Jay Ward had adult figures in their cartoons (Boris, Natasha) and adult jokes. A classic adult joke about income taxes was the subject of a Mr. Peabody and Edgar Allen Poe segment:

Aye, Rocky & Bullwinkle were another adult cartoon.
The first I know of.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Staff member
Premium Member
The founding fathers of the United States were sometimes brilliant but largely selfish egotists obsessed with their personal images and legacy more than the welfare of the people they were building a nation for. They were fallible, money grubbing elites with tons of bad ideas, from turning Washington to the first life term president of a new sort of monarchy, to most actively working against the abolition of slavery and women's rights that were budding even then. And we probably shouldn't deify them the way we do in American history classes and holidays.

How's that for a controversial history topic? :D
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The founding fathers of the United States were sometimes brilliant but largely selfish egotists obsessed with their personal images and legacy more than the welfare of the people they were building a nation for. They were fallible, money grubbing elites with tons of bad ideas, from turning Washington to the first life term president of a new sort of monarchy, to most actively working against the abolition of slavery and women's rights that were budding even then. And we probably shouldn't deify them the way we do in American history classes and holidays.

How's that for a controversial history topic? :D
It's long on criticism, but short on history.
Tis easy to carp about the worst ideas they had but discarded.
What ideas put into law do you like enuf to shed light upon?
Some historical tidbit, ideally something less known, eh.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Speaking of History

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ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
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It's long on criticism, but short on history.
Tis easy to carp about the worst ideas they had but discarded.
What ideas put into law do you like enuf to shed light upon?
Some historical tidbit, ideally something less known, eh.
It's purposefully more criticism than praise because I believe we do way too much of the latter and skip the former. Most people talk about the high points rather than, for example, the only reason the capitol is in DC not NYC was a compromise between wealthy slave holding land owners and budding wall street looking to establish a national bank and national credit. And it was some behind closed doors to swing a vote.
Or that we have a two party system and the electoral college because it was created to protect the institution of slavery from those upstart abolitionists.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's purposefully more criticism than praise because I believe we do way too much of the latter and skip the former. Most people talk about the high points rather than, for example, the only reason the capitol is in DC not NYC was a compromise between wealthy slave holding land owners and budding wall street looking to establish a national bank and national credit. And it was some behind closed doors to swing a vote.
Or that we have a two party system and the electoral college because it was created to protect the institution of slavery from those upstart abolitionists.
Care to elaborate on choosing the capitol's location?
And you could explain why there are traffic circles.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Care to elaborate on choosing the capitol's location?
For days. A lot of the reasoning for why it happened had to do with the conflicts of personality of the politicians involved. The debt plan trying to get passed was proposed by then treasury secretary Hamilton and backed somewhat by John Adams but John Adams hated Hamilton so refused to back him in a negotiation, and even though Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton and Adams were all largely considered the Francophiles looking to make us into a mini French Enlightenment dream, Hamilton was an active abolitionist and Jefferson an unapologetic slaveholder. Jefferson and Madison saw the national big plan and attempt to tax the South even though the South had paid back its debts after the revolution. Thomas Paine, Hamilton and Adams pointed out that it's a lot easier to pay off debts when your industry requires no labor cost. ultimately the capital was put in Virginia as a negotiation chip to get the debt plan passed, which kept the money and banks securely in New York City while the southerners got more political location and the statement of support from the US government.
The clash of personalities between Jefferson, Hamilton and Adams are legendary. Those three messed up about as much as they got right just due to ego.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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Here's some history, although maybe not what you had in mind.

In 1999, February had no full moon, and January and March each had two (the second full moon in a month is often called a blue moon):

Friday, 1 January 1999, 10:49:30 PM (Central Standard Time)
Sunday, 31 January 1999, 010:06:30 AM
Tuesday, 2 March 1999, 12:58:30 AM
Wednesday, 31 March 1999, 5:48:54 PM​

Remarkably, 19 tropical (calendar) years, or from solstice to solstice, are only 118 minutes shorter than 235 synodic months, or from full moon to full moon. So, this will happen again next month, 19 years later (the so-called Metonic cycle)

The first full moon of January 2018 occurs at 8:25 PM (CST) on the 1st. The next occurs at 7:27 AM on January 31st. The third and fourth full moons of 2018 occur in March – 6:52 PM on March 1st, and 6:37 AM on March 31st - bypassing February altogether.

But that's not all. The second full moon in January will be eclipsed, when the earth is between between the sun and moon. That point needs to be on the line connecting the earth and sun, and the moon needs to be moving through it just then.

Why doesn't this happen every month as the moon orbits from closer to the sun than the earth to further?

Because the plane of the lunar orbit is tilted relative to the plane of the earth's orbits, meaning that the moon is above that plane half the month, below it half the month, and passes through it twice a month going from above to below and then back above again. Eclipses only occur at these nodes where the moon's orbit intersects the plane of the earth's orbit.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
For days. A lot of the reasoning for why it happened had to do with the conflicts of personality of the politicians involved. The debt plan trying to get passed was proposed by then treasury secretary Hamilton and backed somewhat by John Adams but John Adams hated Hamilton so refused to back him in a negotiation, and even though Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton and Adams were all largely considered the Francophiles looking to make us into a mini French Enlightenment dream, Hamilton was an active abolitionist and Jefferson an unapologetic slaveholder. Jefferson and Madison saw the national big plan and attempt to tax the South even though the South had paid back its debts after the revolution. Thomas Paine, Hamilton and Adams pointed out that it's a lot easier to pay off debts when your industry requires no labor cost. ultimately the capital was put in Virginia as a negotiation chip to get the debt plan passed, which kept the money and banks securely in New York City while the southerners got more political location and the statement of support from the US government.
The clash of personalities between Jefferson, Hamilton and Adams are legendary. Those three messed up about as much as they got right just due to ego.
Sounds vaguely like some musical I've heard of.
 

ADigitalArtist

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Sounds vaguely like some musical I've heard of.
Yeah a lot of this featured heavily in the Hamilton play because Hamilton was directly involved in this transaction. Well the play gets a lot right it's still pretty truncated for obvious reasons(Franklin doesn't even appear nor does Paine) If you want to get a better overview of that part of history you can always read any of Chernov's biographical work.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
But that's not all. The second full moon in January will be eclipsed, when the earth is between between the sun and moon. That point needs to be on the line connecting the earth and sun, and the moon needs to be moving through it just then.
Oh muh gawd! The moon will be red! The world will end!!!
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
The first proposal for space travel in English history was made by Oliver Cromwell’s brother-in-law

Theologian and natural philosopher John Wilkins (1614–72), who married Cromwell’s youngest sister Robina, was a polymath of great learning and curiosity, and would be one of the founders of the Royal Society. In two books he explored the possibility of “flying chariots” to carry men to the moon.

He believed, as did many others, that the moon and planets were inhabited, and that we should meet these people and trade with them. People were anchored to the earth by a type of magnetism, and if it were possible to reach an altitude of just 20 miles, travellers would be free to fly, or rather sail, though space. Breathing wouldn’t be a problem as the astronauts would soon grow accustomed to the purer air breathed by angels.

Wilkins appears to have experimented in building flying machines with Robert Hooke, in the gardens of Wadham College, Oxford, in the 1650s. Some years later, however, with growing understanding of the nature of vacuums, he realised that space travel was much more complicated than expected.

While his Cromwellian connections reduced him to poverty after the return of the monarchy, Wilkins’s fortunes were gradually restored and he ended his life as Bishop of Chester.

Boston witnessed a ‘toffee-apple’ tsunami

On Wednesday 15 January 1919 in Boston, Massachusetts, a 90-foot wide cast iron tank containing two-and-a-half million gallons of crude molasses (for rum manufacture) exploded, probably because its contents had expanded during a rapid overnight rise in temperature.

The tank, belonging to the United States Industrial Alcohol Company, was set 50 feet above street level; its entire contents spilled within a few seconds and with no warning. The resulting thick, sticky “wall of molasses”, which at times was up to 15 feet high, ran through the streets, reaching a speed of 35mph.

It demolished buildings, tearing them from their foundations; it carried off vehicles and drowned horses. People who tried to outrun the wave were engulfed and drowned where they fell. In all, 21 people were killed and 150 injured (arriving at hospital, according to eyewitnesses “looking like toffee-apples”). The clean-up took weeks, and for decades afterwards the locals claimed they could distinctly smell molasses in hot weather.

A Parisian was given a small fine for ‘getting medieval’ on his wife

Paris baker Henri Littière had a major marital problem: his wife was desperate to be faithful, but just couldn’t help herself. She had three affairs in as many months before he decided that something must be done. He visited a museum and came out with sketches of medieval chastity belts (like that pictured above). These he gave to a man who made false arms and legs for veterans of the First World War, asking him to knock him up a secure means of keeping Mme Littière from consummating her infidelities.

He brought his wife to the final fitting, and she pronounced herself satisfied with the comfort of the velvet-covered steel contraption and joked with her husband that he mustn’t lose the key. Some time later, however, one of her former lovers came to visit. One thing led to another and he saw the apparatus she was wearing. He went straight to the police, and Mr Littière appeared in court on 21 January 1934 on charges of cruelty. Although Mrs Littière testified that she found it impossible to be faithful, the judge gave the hapless baker a three-month suspended sentence and a 50-franc fine.
 
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