War, the final battle.

[CG Didymus]

Interesting..... innit?
God loves us but lets horrors happen because it's education.
It's ok if tragedies and wars happen 'cos there's a reason.
In fact it doesn't matter what happens....... it's all part of the plan.
But the plan is kept secret 'cos we wouldn't understand it.

But religions tell us that they understand it and tell us what to do. Only problem, each tells something different. And now add one more, the Baha'i Faith. And of course they believe they are right and we would be wise to listen to them and stop listening to what we thought we knew from our past religions... 'Cause it was wrong. But not because God was wrong, but because we took the message and we made it wrong. Makes perfect sense... almost.

 

[CG Didymus]

Go for it!
We only have one life on this earth so that is the only way to live.
Why worry about the future when it is not here yet? If I worried about the future I'd be so anxious and depressed that I would not be able to function at all.

Wait, wait, wait? To fix the environmental problems, to get a fairer economic system and to put into practice all those goods things the Baha'is say we need to do... isn't it to make a better future? Even stocking up the fridge with a weeks of food is kind of a smart thing to do isn't it?

 

[Trailblazer]

Wait, wait, wait? To fix the environmental problems, to get a fairer economic system and to put into practice all those goods things the Baha'is say we need to do... isn't it to make a better future? Even stocking up the fridge with a weeks of food is kind of a smart thing to do isn't it?

Yes, but we want to do those things but we can only do those things one day at a time...
If you are worried it does not hurt to have a food and water supply, and I always have more food and water around than I could ever eat or drink in a month or more so i don't have to plan ahead.

 

[Pete in Panama]

Considering 99.9 percent of species that were ever allegedly created are now extinct, if this so called creator of the physical realm was indifferent to them what are the chances its indifferent to us?

I'm dying. Of course I've been dying all my life so this is nothing new, I'm going to die, let's celebrate --after all, YOU'RE going to die too! But this is a good world we live in because we're alive today and so many wonderful things are happening. Yeah I know, you can point out all the suffering going on but let me tell you something: life is like a video game. I mean, if it wasn't interesting and hard enough to do then it wouldn't be any fun.

Same goes for species. Some day the human race will be extinct. What will replace it? I don't know but who says I'm supposed to know everything?

Although there is no doubt hypocrisy there, the trouble with war is that it can clap with one hand. In other words if someone is hell bent on destruction they can still destroy without any opposing faction to keep them in check. So these wars will continue to be fought until the underlying hypocrisy of the aggressors is exposed and their own people rise up to overthrow them.

Somthing that many of us see (& my suspicion is that you don't) is that mankind was created to carry forth an ever advancing civilization. The world is getting better. OK, so the possibility is that you'll argue that 300 years ago we were far better off w/ most children dying before the age of ten, plagues that could wipe out half the population, and wars that went on for centuries. We now live in a world where most people on the planet have access to electrical power, good water, and live w/ a democratic government. Never happened before but this is the new normal.

...World war 1 and 2 has already passed and no supernatural intervention that I'm aware of shortened it...

Yet the good guys won. Whether we say God created a mankind & put him in a world where the good would prevail, or you say that we did it ourselves completely by ourselves and somehow it worked out -- I consider that a distinction w/o a distinction.

You see, I don't try and put God in a box and have him do whatever I want. My pet belief is I use "God" and "reality" interchangeably. The way I do that is I REALLY like reality. Maybe you don't and that's our problem.

 

[CG Didymus]

So sorry. Maybe his ying was off kilter.

That's the balance. When a person goes yinging all the time then they're going to get yanged.

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes, but we want to do those things but we can only do those things one day at a time...
If you are worried it does not hurt to have a food and water supply, and I always have more food and water around than I could ever eat or drink in a month or more so i don't have to plan ahead.

I think I know what you mean. It's like don't worry about the things that you have no control over or don't need to be worrying about. But, even Baha'is have 10 year plans and set goals to where they would like to be at the end of those 10 years.

And that brings me to thinking, Baha'is have plans for the growth of their religion, but where do they want to see the world in 10 years? What are the little steps to get to world peace that the world should be taking now? Like even our country is so divided on so many things. Helping the poorer people is bad because it is leading us towards socialism... which is bad. So instead, they make laws to help the rich get richer. Some people say we've got to get rid of guns, while others are saying we need to have our guns. So we can't even take baby steps to make the U.S. better without a lot of squabbling and sometimes fighting.

So how can Baha'is come along and say that we need to get rid of extreme wealth and extreme poverty? And with guns... Baha'is want countries to disarm when we can't even disarm are own people. And then... the "Earth is but one country and mankind its citizens"? Not in the U.S. If unwanted people try to come into our country they're going to be rounded up and sent packing... except without their children. What are the baby steps to fix that? Drug lords and gangs in their country, so they walk hundreds of miles to our country just to get picked up by the Border Patrol. While a large percentage of our citizens are taking the drugs that are being shipped in from those countries? And then, we have our own gangs to deal with.

 

[rational experiences]

Any physical structure can be destroyed, no matter how strong the foundation... There is only one foundation that can never be destroyed.

“For every one of you his paramount duty is to choose for himself that on which no other may infringe and none usurp from him. Such a thing—and to this the Almighty is My witness—is the love of God, could ye but perceive it.

Build ye for yourselves such houses as the rain and floods can never destroy, which shall protect you from the changes and chances of this life. This is the instruction of Him Whom the world hath wronged and forsaken.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 261

Reminds me of these Bible verses...

Matthew 6:19-21 Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Human science choice the human argument.

God O the earth owns no space its body virtually is filled in space. Without ever owning space. As we think displacing natural presence.

God in other words direct as held mass from eternal. Destroyed eternal burnt gone mass consumed equals empty space.

As God pre firm once burning also.

Eternal never burnt.

O in eternal was held sung up mass by eternal being. Space became a hole in its body.

O God held eternal mass from its beginnings. Space is not God.

O blown up fallen God angels multi spread out in space.

God straight from eternal is not sitting in space. It is abstract from it as God.

God owns no space.

How it was taught.

As God non space released its spirits. The spirit half filled in space.

As half was left cooled by empty space.

Gas space is now space as a half body mass.

Why we can walk through spirit space. Gases.

Taught as relative.

Space and destruction having nothing to do with us relative. Advice. Fact.

When science said I want the use UFO with number two machine. Number one machine was already using core heart radiation. To be reactive.

To gas mass remove physical God dusts to allow for reaction.

UFO is part of the machine in other words. The travelling part reaction when a machine never travelled.

Natural did not fission stone.

Science did. It was doing causing gas conversion underground within mass.

So UFO was doing part of nuclear conversion not all owned by machine conditions. Not totally owned the reaction in power plant. A part time shift by underground gas converting.

As he thesis God stone mass first. God core heart knowledge how to cause reaction itself.

Historic machine origin to nuclear time shift mass occurs within mass not out of space destroyed ended snap frozen in lava. Machine time shifted into lava.

Archaeologist proved it had.

By virtual rebuilding machine self man claims he overcame time travel. Yet physically brain possessed by memories only vision acts out all physical activity as a human.

Machine never time shifted it blew up.

Button pusher today....if only I could have stopped myself pushing the button. Too late says brother machine blew up...cannot put it back together pretending we time travelled as particles in a streaming.

Mineral melt to get machine melt condition not lava otherwise we would no longer be living.

Reasons. I want to regain my origin human self.
I want my human family earth life given back and living equal.
I want no war or destruction.

Previously I want owned those human conditions. Naturally before he pressed the button. Virtually we are still caught inside his machine reaction.

Why he theoried that belief today

I want to pretend origins of science don't exist. I will rethink as new yet old science model claiming origin I am just beginning. As if science is not practiced.

Virtual reality want to destroy modern ownership UFO status.

When he already ended it all and we are barely surviving.

Brother said Moses event ape man life barely survived owned huge ice mass support.

I know says brother I did some man ape studies took you away from real God warnings. To think of different reasons.

Ice cannot support mutation.

I know I want to finish off what I never achieved. To make God disappear. Origin want to mass shift God into space by a hole.

Meaning universal by space destruction in total. As God never owned space.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think I know what you mean. It's like don't worry about the things that you have no control over or don't need to be worrying about. But, even Baha'is have 10 year plans and set goals to where they would like to be at the end of those 10 years.

I know, Baha'is like to plan and plan and plan but I do not keep up on those plans as I am not into plans.

And that brings me to thinking, Baha'is have plans for the growth of their religion, but where do they want to see the world in 10 years? What are the little steps to get to world peace that the world should be taking now? Like even our country is so divided on so many things. Helping the poorer people is bad because it is leading us towards socialism... which is bad. So instead, they make laws to help the rich get richer. Some people say we've got to get rid of guns, while others are saying we need to have our guns. So we can't even take baby steps to make the U.S. better without a lot of squabbling and sometimes fighting.'

I have no idea if the Baha'is think in terms of where they would like to see the world in 10 years, I think that their plans are just regarding what they plan to do for the Faith; e.g., building communities, teaching, etc.

What are the baby steps to fix that? Drug lords and gangs in their country, so they walk hundreds of miles to our country just to get picked up by the Border Patrol. While a large percentage of our citizens are taking the drugs that are being shipped in from those countries? And then, we have our own gangs to deal with.

I have no idea what are the baby steps towards fixing all of that but I think that resides in the realm of politics, not in the realm of religion. Baha'is simply have a vision of what the new world order will look like and our part is the educating and spiritualizing humanity, not getting involved in politics:

“The fundamental principle enunciated by Bahá’u’lláh … is that religious truth is not absolute but relative, that Divine Revelation is a continuous and progressive process, that all the great religions of the world are divine in origin, that their basic principles are in complete harmony, that their aims and purposes are one and the same, that their teachings are but facets of one truth, that their functions are complementary, that they differ only in the nonessential aspects of their doctrines, and that their missions represent successive stages in the spiritual evolution of human society….

…His mission is to proclaim that the ages of the infancy and of the childhood of the human race are past, that the convulsions associated with the present stage of its adolescence are slowly and painfully preparing it to attain the stage of manhood, and are heralding the approach of that Age of Ages when swords will be beaten into plowshares, when the Kingdom promised by Jesus Christ will have been established, and the peace of the planet definitely and permanently ensured. Nor does Bahá’u’lláh claim finality for His own Revelation, but rather stipulates that a fuller measure of the truth He has been commissioned by the Almighty to vouchsafe to humanity, at so critical a juncture in its fortunes, must needs be disclosed at future stages in the constant and limitless evolution of mankind.” The Promised Day Is Come, vi

“The Faith which this order serves, safeguards and promotes is … essentially supernatural, supranational, entirely non-political, non-partisan, and diametrically opposed to any policy or school of thought that seeks to exalt any particular race, class or nation. It is free from any form of ecclesiasticism, has neither priesthood nor rituals, and is supported exclusively by voluntary contributions made by its avowed adherents. Though loyal to their respective governments, though imbued with the love of their own country, and anxious to promote at all times, its best interests, the followers of the Bahá’í Faith, nevertheless, viewing mankind as one entity, and profoundly attached to its vital interests, will not hesitate to subordinate every particular interest, be it personal, regional or national, to the over-riding interests of the generality of mankind, knowing full well that in a world of interdependent peoples and nations the advantage of the part is best to be reached by the advantage of the whole, and that no lasting result can be achieved by any of the component parts if the general interests of the entity itself are neglected….”

—Shoghi Effendi

The Promised Day Is Come, vi - vii

 

[oldbadger]

Wait, wait, wait? To fix the environmental problems, to get a fairer economic system and to put into practice all those goods things the Baha'is say we need to do... isn't it to make a better future? Even stocking up the fridge with a weeks of food is kind of a smart thing to do isn't it?

Oh no!
Does this mean that wifey and I can't do the Wednesday early morning shopping, that we have to do it each day?
Yes.... I like the huge Windfarms just off here, and I like the massive Solar-energy farm just inland, and I like hearing about space probes that will take several years to arrive at some rock.......... I like all of that.
I don't mind the idea of keeping an extra week's supply of Coffee capsules for Wifey's coffee machine...... shudder to think what could happen if they ran out. *shivers*.
But today is MY day, and fixing a new cistern and flush in the loo my only concern. Upheaval in Bratislava? Argument in the US Congress? A Government Minister found in bed with an Opposition Leader? They can all get on with it.
OK.... I might read the 'Opposing Ministers seek agreement in a kingsize' article.

 

[ajay0]

A great battle is unfolding.

Religious orthodoxy has failed. The rule of Nations has failed. Our material civilization has failed.

The war between what is good and what is not good is approaching a final battle.

It brings verse 30 of the Quran to light

"Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah."

What is your vision of the future of this world?

Regards Tony

Whatever conflict and chaos one sees in the outside is actually a manifestation of what is happening within the unconscious mind of humanity in proportion to its inner psychic pollution, which is inauspicious and increasing rather than decreasing.

Gandhi had stated that there is more to life than increasing its speed and material contrivances. I think each person should devote some time to the purification of his or her consciousness by whichever religious or spiritual tools he finds appropriate, and purging it of intense desires in the form of cravings and aversions, and getting in touch with the higher Self or 'Kingdom of God' within, which is intuitive and auspicious.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Whatever conflict and chaos one sees in the outside is actually a manifestation of what is happening within the unconscious mind of humanity in proportion to its inner psychic pollution, which is inauspicious and increasing rather than decreasing.

Gandhi had stated that there is more to life than increasing its speed and material contrivances. I think each person should devote some time to the purification of his or her consciousness by whichever religious or spiritual tools he finds appropriate, and purging it of intense desires in the form of cravings and aversions, and getting in touch with the higher Self or 'Kingdom of God' within, which is intuitive and auspicious.

That would greatly help the future of humanity.

Regards Tony

 

[Aupmanyav]

My pet belief is I use "God" and "reality" interchangeably. The way I do that is I REALLY like reality. Maybe you don't and that's our problem.

Why should you do that? You are perpetuating a superstition. Say God if you mean God and Reality if you mean Reality. Why do you create confusion?

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. His mission is to proclaim that ..

His only mission was to proclaim himself as the latest messenger from Allah. All the rest was immaterial.

 

[Trailblazer]

His only mission was to proclaim himself as the latest messenger from Allah. All the rest was immaterial.

That was not part of His mission but He had to identify Himself in order garner followers who would carry on after He left and build the Kingdom of God on earth. The material part of His mission was a follows:
.
…His mission is to proclaim that the ages of the infancy and of the childhood of the human race are past, that the convulsions associated with the present stage of its adolescence are slowly and painfully preparing it to attain the stage of manhood, and are heralding the approach of that Age of Ages when swords will be beaten into plowshares, when the Kingdom promised by Jesus Christ will have been established, and the peace of the planet definitely and permanently ensured. Nor does Bahá’u’lláh claim finality for His own Revelation, but rather stipulates that a fuller measure of the truth He has been commissioned by the Almighty to vouchsafe to humanity, at so critical a juncture in its fortunes, must needs be disclosed at future stages in the constant and limitless evolution of mankind.” The Promised Day Is Come, vi

 

[Aupmanyav]

He has been commissioned by the Almighty ..

Where is his letter of appointment?

 

[Trailblazer]

Where is his letter of appointment?

He did not get a letter, He just heard a Voice:

“O KING! I was but a man like others, asleep upon My couch, when lo, the breezes of the All-Glorious were wafted over Me, and taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been. This thing is not from Me, but from One Who is Almighty and All-Knowing. And He bade Me lift up My voice between earth and heaven, and for this there befell Me what hath caused the tears of every man of understanding to flow.” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 57

 

[Aupmanyav]

I do not think any organization would allow him to begin work with that kind of authorization.

 

[Trailblazer]

I do not think any organization would allow him to begin work with that kind of authorization.

No matter because Baha'u'llah was authorized by God to begin work.

 

[Pete in Panama]

Why should you do that? You are perpetuating a superstition. Say God if you mean God and Reality if you mean Reality. Why do you create confusion?

That's a very good question from the premise that God and Reality are distinct. What I'm looking at is a situation where I'm approaching the two as being the same thing. At least what we call reality is something that we can easily see directly and pledge our allegiance to. Then again, our concept of a Creator can make many different realities so the discussion gets a bit silly. This would be the result of us trying to ponder the hyper infinities. Makes my head hurt.

But my rambling is nonsense w/o a sense of where you are. What is your belief system --and please don't waste our time w/ a list of all the things you don't believe, I'm asking what u do believe. Are you a Humanist? Do you care about 'meaning'? Do u see an objective good/bad and right/wrong?

Important side note: It is not my intent to 'convert' you, to make you say you were wrong and now you believe like nobody's business. That's BS. My intent is for us to share our models of how we see things & swap ideas. No right & wrong answers here.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Why should you do that? You are perpetuating a superstition. Say God if you mean God and Reality if you mean Reality. Why do you create confusion?

I resonate with what Pete offerd as also to me they can not be seperated. As without God, there is no conciousness, no reality.

Regards Tony