Was Islam spread by the sword?

[FearGod]

You do realise that neither the Romans nor the Persians were present in Arabia right?

They werent oppressing the poor Arabs. Sorry.



Also you Muslims are the cutest when it comes to your own history.
"nah man it was all love and peace man..."

Why ?, Was Jerusalem belong to the Romans ?

Did the Roman occupy the lands by peace ?

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[beenie]

I strongly disagree

Fair enough, but that is the trend in the West.

 

[Flankerl]

Why ?, Was Jerusalem belong to the Romans ?

Uhm at that time, yeah. There were hardly any Jews left after all the slaughter and forcing people out of their land.

Jerusalem wasnt even named Jerusalem anymore but Aelia Capitolina.

Did the Roman occupy the lands by peace ?

No but neither did the Muslims. And i usually dont bother with Muslim propaganda videos on Youtube. They tend to be all over my watch history which is horrible. And all they ever say is "Islam is teh best ya know!"

 

[YmirGF]

What the relation between beards and ethics ?

People weren't forced to accept Islam and if they were forced by the sword then why they used to pay the Jiziyah instead of Zakat, why not killed for refusing Islam.

Because they could officially extort more money from them since they remained non-Muslims?

Why there were churches?

Well, they had to leave the folks some places to worship, aside from the cathedrals they converted into Mosques, of course.

Why the prophet said no one is permitted to harm the people of the book till the last day on earth and who do so is my enemy in day of judgement?

My guess is was to show that he had a sense of humor. Over the centuries, Muslims haven't taken that proclamation terribly seriously.

Reality contradicts your stupid notions.

Personally, I think you are doing a great job at showing the real face of Islam, Feargod. Your tolerance is most, um, commendable. :faint:

 

[FearGod]

Because they could officially extort more money from them since they remained non-Muslims?

Well, they had to leave the folks some places to worship, aside from the cathedrals they converted into Mosques, of course.
My guess is was to show that he had a sense of humor. Over the centuries, Muslims haven't taken that proclamation terribly seriously.

Personally, I think you are doing a great job at showing the real face of Islam, Feargod. Your tolerance is most, um, commendable. :faint:

I don't care how you see Islam through me, religion is for God and not for me.

Your replies obviously showing your biased opinions because it was never about facts,such as saying they don't kill them so they can get their money,very silly to think of it in that way.

 

[YmirGF]

I don't care how you see Islam through me, religion is for God and not for me.

Your replies obviously showing your biased opinions because it was never about facts,such as saying they don't kill them so they can get their money,very silly to think of it in that way.

Hehe. I learned a long time ago that as long as my facts sync with your facts all is well and good. Once anyone goes out of sync with your version of "facts" they enter the realm of silliness. Gotcha.

 

[atanu]

You're blaming the wrong party here. Saudi Arabia does not represent Islam, but itself as a country only. It is unfortunate that Saudi Arabia does not practice Islam the way it should, it has its own law as a country. Islam has nothing to do with it!

I think that when a religious group assumes an identity of opposition to all other such groups, the basic tenet of "all are created of a single soul" is violated.

"All is one and one is all" is the fundamental tenet of all religions.

In my opinion, when Muslims divided into two groups that fought each other, the Islam was largely forgotten .... But of course not by all. And, more or less, this may be true of some other religious groups/people too. Further, such violence is not the basic characteristic of the teaching itself but is the outgrowth of human hatred.

There is a nice passage in Koran about this.

I agree that the actual teaching of a religion may not have anything to do with actions of so-called adherents of that religion.

 

[FearGod]

Hehe. I learned a long time ago that as long as my facts sync with your facts all is well and good. Once anyone goes out of sync with your version of "facts" they enter the realm of silliness. Gotcha.

Fact is fact, it doesn't have versions.

 

[paarsurrey]

You're blaming the wrong party here. Saudi Arabia does not represent Islam, but itself as a country only. It is unfortunate that Saudi Arabia does not practice Islam the way it should, it has its own law as a country. Islam has nothing to do with it!

I agree with you.
Saudi Arabia or Iran for that matter in other Muslim country do not represent Islam, if they don't adhere to the teaching of Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I think that when a religious group assumes an identity of opposition to all other such groups, the basic tenet of "all are created of a single soul" is violated.

"All is one and one is all" is the fundamental tenet of all religions.

In my opinion, when Muslims divided into two groups that fought each other, the Islam was largely forgotten .... But of course not by all. And, more or less, this may be true of some other religious groups/people too. Further, such violence is not the basic characteristic of the teaching itself but is the outgrowth of human hatred.

There is a nice passage in Koran about this.

I agree that the actual teaching of a religion may not have anything to do with actions of so-called adherents of that religion.

You are very right here. All religions in essence are peaceful.

Regards

 

[YmirGF]

You are very right here. All religions in essence are peaceful.

Regards

Especially after they have obliterated all opposition. Things get real peaceful then.

 

[Sabour]

Especially after they have obliterated all opposition. Things get real peaceful then.

If Islam was spread by the sword.

How did it start with one man and it is what it is today?

If you want to ignore that and say it was managed in some way, than why didn't the muslims wipe out all non muslims when they had the chance?

 

[arcanum]

If Islam was spread by the sword.

How did it start with one man and it is what it is today?

If you want to ignore that and say it was managed in some way, than why didn't the muslims wipe out all non muslims when they had the chance?

Bias is blindness my friend. It seems to be a program most people are born with, it is quite uncomfortable to look upon one's own culture and religion with a critical eye but it's very easy to look upon "the others" critically. If everyone looks at reality with their own biased lens than approaching objective truth is impossible.

 

[Sabour]

Bias is blindness my friend. It seems to be a program most people are born with, it is quite uncomfortable to look upon one's culture and religion with a critical eye but it's very easy to look upon "the others" critically. If everyone looks at reality with their own biased lens than approaching objective truth is impossible.

Why you all point fingers and accuse others of what you actually do? Take a look at my signature. It says it all.

I see my self as a muslim.

You see me as a terrorist.

And than you guys come and gives lectures on confirmation bias.

 

[arcanum]

Why you all point fingers and accuse others of what you actually do? Take a look at my signature. It says it all.

I see my self as a muslim.

You see me as a terrorist.

And than you guys come and gives lectures on confirmation bias.

Whoa I never called you a terrorist, and for the record I in no way equate being a Muslim with being a terrorist. I was just suggesting being a little self critical and try being a little more objective.

 

[FearGod]

If Islam was spread by the sword.

How did it start with one man and it is what it is today?

If you want to ignore that and say it was managed in some way, than why didn't the muslims wipe out all non muslims when they had the chance?

Started and spread by force by an armless man.
Ron White said "you can't fix stupids"

 

[arcanum]

Started and spread by force by an armless man.
Ron White said "you can't fix stupids"

Do you actually believe that no blood was spilled in trying to spread the religion of Islam? That it was spread entirely by peaceful means? This not only contradicts the the historical accounts but also the Koran itself.

 

[Sabour]

Whoa I never called you a terrorist, and for the record I in no way equate being a Muslim with being a terrorist. I was just suggesting being a little self critical and try being a little more objective.

Well sorry because that was directed to you lol . I am sorry about saying "you guys" too.

I am deeply sorry I just got carried away Apologies again

 

[Sabour]

Do you actually believe that no blood was spilled in trying to spread the religion of Islam? That it was spread entirely by peaceful means? This not only contradicts the the historical accounts but also the Koran itself.

In the Koran you have to look at the context where "fighting back" is allowed.

 

[arcanum]

Well sorry because that was directed to you lol . I am sorry about saying "you guys" too.

I am deeply sorry I just got carried away Apologies again

It's ok, that is why both sides should avoid generalizations, it doesn't serve a good purpose. Peace