Was it any use for jesus to die for sins?

[Timothy Spurlin]

Right, I would Not expect an atheist to believe in my God.
Atheism is a religion in that it adheres to the dogmatic view that there is No God/god.
Since that can Not be proven, then atheism is the exercise of faith in the non-existence of God.

Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. Atheism doesn't use faith.
Theist have failed to provide objective evidence that a god exist.
Religion requires faith.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

I wonder, then do you believe in murder, stealing etc. because a law against such crimes is meant to control.
I find control for the sake of safe-and-sound society.

Laws of society are not made to control people from sinning.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

If there were No laws in place then what kind of society would we have.
If a person is caught speeding and fined does he feel good about that.
Sure, No one calls a speeding ticket as committing sin against the motor-vehicle code.
Nevertheless, good laws keep people safe.
Jesus' New commandment of John 13:34-35 to 'have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has ' would keep everyone feeling safe.

You seem to confuse laws made by a society, as if they were made to control sinning.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

What I find that Scripture teaches as punishment or discipline as found at 1 Corinthians 5:7-13.
so, even when society changes the Bible remains the same.
Christians obey ' Caesar ' as long as men's laws do Not conflict - Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

Your bible says to stone unruly children.
Don't see people stoning children.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

A person who does Not sin is one who does Not fall short.
Sin is: either or purpose or not, intentional or not, willfull or not.
We can try to avoid sinning on purpose, but we all fall short otherwise.
If you do Not believe in sin what do you call lying, stealing, murder, etc.___________

Humans make laws to control bad behaviors, not sin.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Ouch, how does doing Bible research mean doing No critical thinking ______________
I wonder if you ever researched a subject and came to a conclusion about it _______
Just because a person disagrees with what we can learn from the Bible does Not mean a person has Not done any critical thinking about it.

If you actually did you would know that the bible contradicts itself a lot and gets various things wrong and has a lot of out dated moral values.

But no continue to do what you do.

 

[Desert Snake]

Can you prove your god created anything?
Can you prove your god is real?

Meaningless. You cant prove thst a deity is unreal, neither are you going to prove anything [proving something you don't know.

 

[Desert Snake]

Atheism= telling me what you don't know. That's all it means.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If you actually did you would know that the bible contradicts itself a lot and gets various things wrong and has a lot of out dated moral values.
But no continue to do what you do.

I wonder how you decided that the Bible contradicts itself a lot, etc.
So, to continue to do what you do, please start with one example about what you said.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Humans make laws to control bad behaviors, not sin.

I find God made laws to control bad behaviors such as the Golden Rule - Leviticus 19:18
Isn't the 19th chapter of Leviticus godly laws or principles to regulate bad behaviors ________
I wonder what is the difference between what you call bad behavior and what the Bible calls sin.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Your bible says to stone unruly children.
Don't see people stoning children.

I notice you did Not post where the Bible says to stone unruly children.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You seem to confuse laws made by a society, as if they were made to control sinning.

God put the ruling powers in a relative position to God's absolute position.
In other words, governmental authorities are to be in harmony with God's position.
Who was ever arrested for keeping the fruitage of God's standard as found at Galatians 5:22-23 _________
Yet, how many has been arrested for displaying bad works of the flesh as found at Galatians 5:19-22 ________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I'll let you in on a little secret.
In christian theology, jesus is god.
He basicly sacrificed himself to himself, to save us from himself.
Just some good ol' preaching

I'll let you in on a BIG secret ( clergy hide it from the flock of God ) that Jesus is Not his own God.
Jesus knew who he was according to John 10:36.
John saw Jesus and John wrote that No man ( John was a man ) can see God as per John 1:18; 1 John 4:12
John also wrote that Jesus was the beginning of the creation by God Revelation 3:14; 1:5
This is in harmony with Colossians 1:15 with Jesus being first born or ALL creation.
God had No beginning according to Psalms 90:2.
So, pre-human Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
God would send a ' seed ' (offspring of men) and that 'seed ' would bruise Satan in his head - Genesis 3:15
God sent the pre-human heavenly Jesus to Earth, and Jesus will head bruise (destroy) Satan as per Hebrews 2:14 B; Romans 16:20
Also, the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per Revelation 3:12

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Do you have faith in the non-existance of extra-dimensional pink graviton fairies?

I wonder why we do Not see anyone trying to convince or fight over the existence of pink graviton faires.
Isn't that because everyone knows ( atheist and non-atheist ) knows they do Not exist.
So, why do atheists try to convince or fight over something they 'know' is Not real _______

Do people have faith in the orderliness of the universe ______
The universe with its perceived order, which was brought forth from chaos, in the absence of a Higher Power would revert back in the absence of a Creator. Intelligence is required, and the lack of such intelligence is ___________

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And that is your opinion.
Let's not make this thread about that

No, I find Exodus 21:22 is Not my opinion but the opinion of the God of the Bible.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

I wonder how you decided that the Bible contradicts itself a lot, etc.
So, to continue to do what you do, please start with one example about what you said.

Well we could always bring up the old noah story in genesis 6:19-20 where god commands two pairs to be brought into the ark. While in Genesis 7:2 God commands seven pairs of the clean animals and two pairs of unclean animals yet verses 8 and 9 only two of each go in even though God commanded something else entirely. I know it upsetting to have something you built your entire life around to not be true, but thats the reality we live in. The bible was written by various men and different points in time.

By the way here's a an entire list of contradictions you can ignore.

101 Contradictions in the Bible.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well we could always bring up the old noah story in genesis 6:19-20 where god commands two pairs to be brought into the ark. While in Genesis 7:2 God commands seven pairs of the clean animals and two pairs of unclean animals yet verses 8 and 9 only two of each go in even though God commanded something else entirely. I know it upsetting to have something you built your entire life around to not be true, but thats the reality we live in. The bible was written by various men and different points in time.

To me what I read ^ above ^ is more of a reading comprehension problem than anything else.
Genesis 7:2-3 is giving us more detail, such as: by sevens or seven pairs.
We might say by the sevens in meaning by seven pairs. That is why Noah could take ' some ' at Genesis 8:20.
So, to me it is Not a contradiction.

Because of the Bible's corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages among the many Bible writers shows the internal harmony among its many writers.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

God put the ruling powers in a relative position to God's absolute position.
In other words, governmental authorities are to be in harmony with God's position.
Who was ever arrested for keeping the fruitage of God's standard as found at Galatians 5:22-23 _________
Yet, how many has been arrested for displaying bad works of the flesh as found at Galatians 5:19-22 ________

You claim there is a god, then prove it.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

I notice you did Not post where the Bible says to stone unruly children.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Now you can go read it in your bible.

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

I find God made laws to control bad behaviors such as the Golden Rule - Leviticus 19:18
Isn't the 19th chapter of Leviticus godly laws or principles to regulate bad behaviors ________
I wonder what is the difference between what you call bad behavior and what the Bible calls sin.

Prove your god is real.