Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[djhwoodwerks]

Rom 10:8-9 (ESVST) ? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

This is my understanding of that verse:

The word is in your mouth and your heart, the word of "FAITH" (without faith it is impossible to please God). If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is "YOUR" personal Lord and Saviour, (and how can you do that unless you believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, and that He is living today.) You will be saved.

1 Cor 3: 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. 7So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.

Mat 13:31 (ESVST) , "The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field.

Mat 17:19-20 (ESVST) ?" 20 He said to them, " Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed,

Mar 4:30-31 (ESVST) 30 And he said, "With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable shall we use for it? 31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when sown on the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth,

Luk 17:5-6 (ESVST) 5 The apostles said to the Lord, " Increase our faith!" 6 And the Lord said, " If you had faith like a grain of mustard seed,


2Co 10:14 (ESVST) 14 For we are not overextending ourselves, as though we did not reach you. For we were the first to come all the way to you with the gospel of Christ. (Paul Planted)

Act 18:27 (ESVST) 27 And when he wished to cross to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him. When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed (Apollos watered)

1Co 15:9-10 (ESVST) . 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, (God makes it grow)

 

[djhwoodwerks]

And to you as well dj! It is 10:05 a.m here in the sunshine state of Florida. It is night time for Pegg.

I'm in Kansas, so we are in the same time zone. Actually the clock on my phone says 9:59 lol!

 

[savagewind]

Rom 10:8-9 (ESVST) ? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

This is my understanding of that verse:

The word is in your mouth and your heart, the word of "FAITH" (without faith it is impossible to please God). If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is "YOUR" personal Lord and Saviour, (and how can you do that unless you believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, and that He is living today.) You will be saved.




Mat 13:31 (ESVST) , "The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field.

Mat 17:19-20 (ESVST) ?" 20 He said to them, " Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed,

Mar 4:30-31 (ESVST) 30 And he said, "With what can we compare the kingdom of God, or what parable shall we use for it? 31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when sown on the ground, is the smallest of all the seeds on earth,

Luk 17:5-6 (ESVST) 5 The apostles said to the Lord, " Increase our faith!" 6 And the Lord said, " If you had faith like a grain of mustard seed,


2Co 10:14 (ESVST) 14 For we are not overextending ourselves, as though we did not reach you. For we were the first to come all the way to you with the gospel of Christ. (Paul Planted)

Act 18:27 (ESVST) 27 And when he wished to cross to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him. When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed (Apollos watered)

1Co 15:9-10 (ESVST) . 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, (God makes it grow)

Yes, Jesus is my personal savior and the Lord I obey. Is that all? Am I done? What is my job now? Must I keep repeating over and over, "Jesus is God".....And I'll be saved? Isn't that TOO EASY?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes, Jesus is my personal savior and the Lord I obey. Is that all? Am I done? What is my job now? Must I keep repeating over and over, "Jesus is God".....And I'll be saved? Isn't that TOO EASY?

"Is that TOO EASY?" Do you want it to be hard"

Yes, I believe it is that easy to be saved.

Rom 6:1-4 (ESVST) 1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Jn 10:26-30 (ESVST) . 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father 's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

 

[savagewind]

"Isn't that TOO EASY?" Do you want it to be hard"

Yes, I believe it is that easy to be saved.

Rom 6:1-4 (ESVST) 1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Jn 10:26-30 (ESVST) . 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father 's hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

OK. You hear his voice. That is good. What if you stop listening to him? Are you still saved?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes, Jesus is my personal savior and the Lord I obey.

"Yes, Jesus is my personal savior and "the" Lord I obey"

Jn 20:27-28 (ESVST) ." 28 Thomas answered him, " My Lord and my God!"

 

[savagewind]

I hear from my so-called brethren that belief in Jesus who is God is the channel to God. Am I hearing correctly?

 

[savagewind]

"Yes, Jesus is my personal savior and "the" Lord I obey"

Jn 20:27-28 (ESVST) ." 28 Thomas answered him, " My Lord and my God!"

I know. Jesus is not my "personal" lord. That was my point. He is not "my" Lord. He is your lord too. He is head of all therefore lord of all if they would just listen. Christians do not teach listening. They teach believing. I can't make something true by just believing it no matter how much of God's will it is.

It is the same with the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. They also teach it is by believing that a person will be saved.

 

[Mountain_Climber]

A sloppy translation is Romans 10: 9,10

It says if you confess with the mouth that Jesus is Lord and confess with the mouth it means your salvation....everyone who believes on him will be saved.

How about this? If you publically declare the things spoken [to] you as concerning the Lord Jesus Christ and believe it in your heart [all he is teaching us] because he is raised from the dead you will be ensured salvation.

Jesus is The Word. The power isn't in the person of Jesus. It is in the words which are ours for salvation.

Hey, I was tired and so just grabbed the translation which displays by default in my Bible software program.

But you are making a lot of hupty-doo over nothing.

Romans 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him [that is, Whosoever believeth on God] shall not be ashamed.

Are you not familiar with the issue that arose in the Law, where that quote is taken from?

Here is one for you to either laugh at or be annoyed at; Ask Pegg to explain it to you, LOL.

Deuteronomy 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

 

[savagewind]

Romans 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him [that is, Whosoever believeth on God] shall not be ashamed.

OK. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, they, believe more strongly in God than anyone imo. And God says, "they won't be ashamed". I beg to differ.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

OK. You hear his voice. That is good. What if you stop listening to him? Are you still saved?

I believe yes. I have a 14 year old daughter, that knows my expectations of how I expect her to act. If she fails at times, and believe me she does, I point out her actions we work through them. If she were to grow up and decide to live a life that completely goes against what I have taught and expected of her, I wouldn't disown her, I wouldn't kick her out of my family. She will always be my daughter

1Co 3:10-15 (ESVST) it. 11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw — 13 each one 's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone' s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

 

[savagewind]

OK. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, they, believe more strongly in God than anyone imo. And God says, "they won't be ashamed". I beg to differ.

Judas believed in God or why would Jesus have chosen him? Was he not ashamed?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

But you are making a lot of hupty-doo over nothing.

Awesome! lol

 

[savagewind]

I believe yes. I have a 14 year old daughter, that knows my expectations of how I expect her to act. If she fails at times, and believe me she does, I point out her actions we work through them. If she were to grow up and decide to live a life that completely goes against what I have taught and expected of her, I wouldn't disown her, I wouldn't kick her out of my family. She will always be my daughter

1Co 3:10-15 (ESVST) it. 11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw — 13 each one 's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone' s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

Each one's WORK will be made manifest. If work and belief mean the same, then OK you have made your point. I personally do not think belief and work are the same.

 

[savagewind]

The thread belongs to my "sister" who has forsaken me in excommunication. I should be done here. Godspead!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Please prove the GB is God's exclusive channel.

They can't prove it, there are no scriptures to prove it, That's why they always change the subject and never discuss it.

 

[savagewind]

One more thing. It is amazing what four little marks will do. But we have people resting on the belief that God's word, the written kind, is perfect. I'm gone.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Each one's WORK will be made manifest. If work and belief mean the same, then OK you have made your point. I personally do not think belief and work are the same.

Each ones "WORK"

Psa 62:12 (ESVST) 12 and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love. For you will render to a man according to his work.

Mat 16:26-27 (ESVST) ? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.

Rev 22:12 (ESVST) 12 " Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.

Jn 3:16-18 (ESVST) . 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God

 

[djhwoodwerks]

One more thing. It is amazing what four little marks will do. But we have people resting on the belief that God's word, the written kind, is perfect. I'm gone.

Is this forum being used for making others believe what we believe? Are we not just discussing our beliefs and trusting God to bring to light the real truth?

1Co 3:5-7 (ASV) 5 What then is Apollos? and what is Paul? Ministers through whom ye believed; and each as the Lord gave to him. 6 I planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth anything, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

When it was written, "believe in Jesus Christ to be saved" did it mean Jesus Christ God or Jesus Christ The Word of God?

Jn 1:1 (ESVST) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.