Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[katiemygirl]

2Peter 3:8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.​

Everytime the word DAY is used in the Bible, is it used figuratively?

What in Genesis specifically has told you that God meant DAY in this passage to mean 1000 years?

You do realize 2 Peter 3:8 contains a similie, don't you? Peter does not say a day IS a thousand years. He says a day IS AS a thousand years. Similies are figures of speech.

2 Peter 3:8 does not define a day. Peter is telling his readers that they should not lose heart because God seems slow at fulfilling His promises. He is patient, and He is not bound by time as we are.

Peter is quoting Psalm 90:4.

‘For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.’

 

[katiemygirl]

"Your old JW teachings", hey?

You know so very little about me but try to speak so very much.

It is not your fault. This world teaches and rewards it's children for being so imaginative..

Yes, what you believe you believe in a bubble.

MC, the words you write speak volumes. I have believed from the beginning that you are/were a JW, based on your posts. It's true I don't know you or your story, but it is how you come across.

 

[Mountain_Climber]

Everytime the word DAY is used in the Bible, is it used figuratively?

What in Genesis specifically has told you that God meant DAY in this passage to mean 1000 years?

You do realize 2 Peter 3:8 contains a similie, don't you? Peter does not say a day IS a thousand years. He says a day IS AS a thousand years. Similies are figures of speech.

2 Peter 3:8 does not define a day. Peter is telling his readers that they should not lose heart because God seems slow at fulfilling His promises. He is patient, and He is not bound by time as we are.

Peter is quoting Psalm 90:4.

‘For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.’

Besides, if one really meditates on what Peter said at 2 Peter 3:8 they realize that what Peter says cancels out time.

"one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

One equals one thousand. He can accomplish more in a single day than we can in a thousand years.

One thousand equals one. Compared to how long he has lived, a thousand years is to him as no time at all, like a day quickly passed is to us.

 

[Mountain_Climber]

MC, the words you write speak volumes. I have believed from the beginning that you are/were a JW, based on your posts. It's true I don't know you or your story, but it is how you come across.

You were wrong then and you remain wrong now.

It is easy to be presumptuous like that.

I have no doubt that even Pegg or JayJayDee or other Witnesses have thought that same thing.

It creates a convenient excuse for the presumptuous to use so as to dismiss things lightly that they don't like.

 

[Pegg]

Everytime the word DAY is used in the Bible, is it used figuratively?

What in Genesis specifically has told you that God meant DAY in this passage to mean 1000 years?

God must have been speaking of time from his own perspective when he told Adam 'in the day of eating from it you will surely die'

Why do I say that? Because Adam did not die in one earth day.... and I dont believe God lied, do you?

When Peter was speaking about 'one day is as a thousand years', the subject was about time. 2Pet 3:3 First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires+ 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his?+ Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.

This is not a simile. This is a discussion about people who ridicule the Word of God and say nothing will change, no day is approaching. Peter says 'God is not slow respecting his promise', then shortly after he says 'do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day

So Peter is showing that Gods perception of time is very different to ours. 1,000 years is 10 of our lifetimes, whereas to God ,it is only one day. If we saw time in the way God sees it, then we'd realise that Adam died only 5 days ago, Jesus gave his life only 2 days ago....and whats next?

 

[Pegg]

You were wrong then and you remain wrong now.

It is easy to be presumptuous like that.

I have no doubt that even Pegg or JayJayDee or other Witnesses have thought that same thing.

It creates a convenient excuse for the presumptuous to use so as to dismiss things lightly that they don't like.

I thought you may have been a JW until i really read some of your posts....then i realised your beliefs are very different to ours. I'll take a guess and say you are of a denomination linked to Isreals restoration (im not sure what they are called)

Maybe you'd like to tell us your denomination so we can all understand a little better where you are coming from?? Pleeeeese

 

[Mountain_Climber]

I thought you may have been a JW until i really read some of your posts....then i realised your beliefs are very different to ours. I'll take a guess and say you are of a denomination linked to Isreals restoration (im not sure what they are called)

I am one that however believes in a Spiritual Israel.

I am very hated for that. But it is my belief that a literal physical nation of Israel never really existed but for a time which God proved the flesh was not capable of inheriting salvation due to the bend of ignorance formed into the flesh of the world through Adam's sin.

Not to be confused with the common inherited sin doctrine.

 

[Pegg]

I am one that however believes in a Spiritual Israel.

I am very hated for that. But it is my belief that a literal physical nation of Israel never really existed but for a time which God proved the flesh was not capable of inheriting salvation due to the bend of ignorance formed into the flesh of the world through Adam's sin.

Not to be confused with the common inherited sin doctrine.

I have no idea what all that means.... nor am i any wiser on what denomination you are.

Any other clues??

 

[Awoon]

All JWs are correct in Bible knowledge, ALL non JWs are incorrect in Bible knowledge?

 

[savagewind]

All JWs are correct in Bible knowledge, ALL non JWs are incorrect in Bible knowledge?

Good guess! LOL The JWs aren't always right. Sometimes their Bible knowledge changes.

 

[savagewind]

When Peter was speaking about 'one day is as a thousand years', the subject was about time. 2Pet 3:3 First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires+ 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his?+ Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.

This is not a simile. This is a discussion about people who ridicule the Word of God and say nothing will change, no day is approaching. Peter says 'God is not slow respecting his promise', then shortly after he says 'do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day

So Peter is showing that Gods perception of time is very different to ours. 1,000 years is 10 of our lifetimes, whereas to God ,it is only one day. If we saw time in the way God sees it, then we'd realise that Adam died only 5 days ago, Jesus gave his life only 2 days ago....and whats next?

This is your interpretation of what is written. I have another interpretation, but I am not a man nor am I a governing body member. Tradition has a question mark put and kept at the end of "promise of the coming of him". But Strong's #3004 is "to say" and Strong's #2065 is "to ask". The Bibles have them asking. They are actually SAYING where his presence will be which is WITH THEM. OK? (Even at the time of the writing people were mocking God saying that God is with/for THEM.) That is what it means. So the writer was warning us that those people would be still at it at the end.

My interpretation actually makes some sense. I might be wrong which for me to admit that to myself and to others is one difference between you and me. The other difference is that I do not insist all people believe me or die.

This is reasonableness. If it is in God's "word of truth" and foretells something, that something must come true. Peter was saying there will ALWAYS be people who think they know more than other people and that is true. But if he wrote what the bible says he wrote then because it NEEDS to come true God needs people to ridicule The Truth. for the prophesy to come true.

It isn't a prophesy. It is insight on the way people are and will always be.

 

[Awoon]

Good guess! LOL The JWs aren't always right. Sometimes their Bible knowledge changes.

I have not read any JW in here agreeing with any Non JW.

 

[savagewind]

I have not read any JW in here agreeing with any Non JW.

Non JWs are JW's enemies. I am not kidding.

I am sure the JWs consider that any and all disagreement is persecution.

 

[katiemygirl]

Figure of speech..."It is as" does not mean it is. Big difference!

 

[katiemygirl]

I thought you may have been a JW until i really read some of your posts....then i realised your beliefs are very different to ours. I'll take a guess and say you are of a denomination linked to Isreals restoration (im not sure what they are called)

Maybe you'd like to tell us your denomination so we can all understand a little better where you are coming from?? Pleeeeese

Yes! That sure would help us understand.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Anyone who claims to be walking by spirit, will also abide by Gods written word. Our refusal of blood is in adherence to Gods laws about blood. Our refusal to celebrate birthdays is in adherence to Gods laws regarding false worship and practices. Sorry if you can't see that, but I can and thats probably why I'm one of Jehovahs Witnesses and you are not.

Good evening Pegg. I hope your day was great.

I kind of understand the blood issue or, maybe not. But birthdays, I don't understand. Other holidays, I can live without , they don't really mean anything to me. But birthdays, the JW's belief is just someone teaching their opinion. Are we not to honor our husbands and wives? Can we not honor our family on their birthdays? Can we not do obeisance to them? Just because we choose to honor our children or our mother, dad, sister, brother, children doesn't mean we give them the same kind of worship we give God. JW's call it obeisance to Jesus so they don't worship him the same way they worship God. The Bible says to give honor to whom honor is due.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I should remind you that God has always used a specific channel throughout all history.
Way back in the days of Noah, God chose him alone to represent him.
By the mouth of Moses alone God spoke.
To the nation of Israel only did God reveal himself and his laws.
Only through Jesus did God establish the new covenant for the saving of mankind.
God established christianity as 'one' church under his 'one' Son.

You are so right in saying this. My only question is, was Noah a composite Noah? Was Moses a composite Moses? Was Jesus a composite Jesus?

 

[savagewind]

You are so right in saying this. My only question is, was Noah a composite Noah? Was Moses a composite Moses? Was Jesus a composite Jesus?

Jesus is not composite. ONE leader.......

 

[djhwoodwerks]

*** jv chap. 10 p. 143 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth *** Proclaimers Book1993

Over a decade later, however, Brother Russell’s wife publicly expressed the idea that Russell himself was the faithful and wise servant. The view that she voiced concerning the identity of the ‘faithful servant’ came to be generally held by the Bible Students for some 30 years. Brother Russell did not reject their view, but he personally avoided making such an application of the text, emphasizing his opposition to the idea of a clergy class commissioned to teach God’s Word in contrast to a lay class that was not thus commissioned. ¬ Did the Spirit fail to direct the Spirit directed organization for 30 years in that it was directed wrongly when it was directed by Russell’s wife?



*** jv chap. 28 p. 626 Testing and Sifting From Within *** Proclaimers Book1993

Many who were sifted out at that time clung to the view that a single individual, Charles Taze Russell, was the “faithful and wise servant” foretold by Jesus at Matthew 24:45-47 (KJ), which servant would distribute spiritual food to the household of faith. Particularly following his death, The Watch Tower itself set forth this view for a number of years. ¬ Was this the truth?



*** jv chap. 15 p. 218 Development of the Organization Structure *** Proclaimers Book1993

The Watchtower analysis of theocratic organization showed from the Scriptures that Jehovah appointed Jesus Christ “head of the. . . congregation”; that when Christ as the Master returned, he would entrust his “faithful and discreet slave” with responsibility “over all his belongings”; that this faithful and discreet slave was made up of all those on earth who had been anointed with holy spirit to be joint heirs with Christ and who were unitedly serving under his direction; ¬ Was this the truth?



*** ka chap. 17 p. 346 par. 32 The “Slave” Who Lived to See the “Sign” ***

Since the “slave” of Jesus’ illustration is not just one Christian man but is the anointed congregation of Christ’s disciples, the “faithful and discreet slave” class continued to serve on after the death of C. T. Russell. ¬ 1973 God’s Kingdom Has Approached



*** w13 7/15 p. 22 par. 10 “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” ***

10 Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? In keeping with Jesus’ pattern of feeding many through the hands of a few, that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence.¬ Or is this the truth?

 

[katiemygirl]

="Pegg, post: 4329276, member: 23994"]
God must have been speaking of time from his own perspective when he told Adam 'in the day of eating from it you will surely die'

Why do I say that? Because Adam did not die in one earth day.... and I dont believe God lied, do you?

No, I don't believe God lied. He meant what he said. He said, "In the day you eat, you shall surely die."

Adam and Eve did die that day. They died spiritually because they disobeyed God. They were separated from God. They lost fellowship with Him. They were put out of the garden. Separation from God is spiritual death. I don't know what else it could be called.

If people can be made alive as they were in Eph. 2, then they had to be dead to begin with. We know they weren't physically dead. The only kind of dead they could have been was spiritually dead, unless you have a better term to describe what kind of dead they were..

When Peter was speaking about 'one day is as a thousand years', the subject was about time. 2Pet 3:3 First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires+ 4 and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his?+ Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.

This is not a simile. This is a discussion about people who ridicule the Word of God and say nothing will change, no day is approaching. Peter says 'God is not slow respecting his promise', then shortly after he says 'do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah* as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day

Perhaps seeing the verse from a different translation will help you to see it is a simile. The translation below uses LIKE instead of AS.

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

The context is about the Lord keeping His promise. Yes, there will be people who make fun and laugh, saying where is Jesus? How come He hasn't come back as He promised? Peter assures his readers that time is meaningless to the creator of time. He wants his readers to understand that God is giving everyone time to repent. He doesn't want anyone to be lost, and He does keep His promises. That's the context.

A simile is a figure of speech in which two unlike things are compared. In this case, a day is being compared to a year.

The verse says One day is AS a thousand years, and a thousand years AS one day. It does not say one day is a thousand years. It does not say a thousand years is one day.

Or, one day is LIKE a thousand years, and a thousand years are LIKE a day.

IS means equal to. AS, in this verse is an adverb used to compare two different things. Like is also an adverb used to compare two things.

Here's an example of a simile: Her cheeks are as red as an apple. Or, her cheeks are red like an apple. This compares cheeks to apples. It does not say her cheeks are apples.

If you know what a simile is, then please give me an example of one from the Bible. There are plenty to choose from. Can you find one?