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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
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djhwoodwerks
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That's a funny statement also. Didn't the apostles teach what "JESUS" taught them to teach? Didn't they teach and write what they "WERE MOVED BY THE SPIRIT" to teach and write?
Jn 16:12-13 (ESVST) 12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
He didn't. He taught "Avvon d-bish-maiya" or something close to that, because Jesus spoke Aramaic. What you're doing is arguing a petty difference in translation as if it were some kind of conspiracy.
djhwoodwerks
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What is ones Christian name?
djhwoodwerks
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I will use the same argument, Jesus never mentioned God's personal name. Why do JW's agree with the WTBTS over Jesus?
They were "dead" in their sins until Paul saved them by his writings. After all Christians teach more about Paul then Jesus. All their Churches are based on Paul's rules of organization. It's funny that Jesus didn't know his Father was THE Spirit of Truth who they were to pray to before the book of John was written...ie "Our Father which is everywhere."
Ask the JWs. I'm a free bird.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
I have the answer already. I don't need to ask anyone.
I believe I asked you a fair and honest question. What does dead in sin mean? If God made the Ephesians alive after they'd been dead in sin, what death did they experience? I'm not opposed to calling that death by another name besides spiritual death. So what say you?
I don't think you can deny that sin has always caused a separation from God. Is. 59:1-2 It doesn't mean God doesn't love us or hear our prayers. It simply means that God, by His nature, must separate Himself from sin.
It actually is a conspiracy. The JWs are convinced that anyone who does not use God's scriptural NAME which is YHVH, or in English "Jehovah" will die a forever death when Judgement Day comes. They are the only group who warns the people to use God's NAME or die. Is that not a conspiracy?
djhwoodwerks
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What do JW's base their rules of organization on?
God is the spirit of truth? How can God be that spirit? I thought God's Spirit was just an "ACTIVE FORCE"? If God is the Spirit, why couldn't it come unless Jesus went away?
Jn 16:6-7 (ESVST) . 7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
2Co 3:12-18 (ESVST) 12 Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13 not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16 But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
djhwoodwerks
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What does "DEAD IN THEIR SINS" mean? They weren't dead physically, because he was talking to them. There hadn't been a mass resurrection. So what does "DEAD IN THEIR SINS" mean?
I don't believe in conspiracies in general. Not the ones the JWs claim exist, the ones you claim exist..
Both of you have just as much evidence for your conspiracies(none), and both of you seem to enjoy making mountains out of mole-hills.
Did Jesus teach that people were dead or did Paul?
It is fun.
That they carry God's NAME is their power to say "we are right and you are wrong". Some people do not like to be accused of wrongdoing when all they are doing is respecting God's NAME. Jehovah's Witnesses think they are the only ones who are respecting God's name. LYING in God's name is not respect. That is what people are warning them for. They are warning us and, of course, being human, we can not resist warning them back. Tit for tat if you will.
And now you know how most non-Christians feel! Frustrating as all hell, isn't it?
djhwoodwerks
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Lol! Me too. I don't belong to any denomination. I study the Bible with the Holy Spirit.
Jer 31:34 (ESVST) 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ' Know the Lord, ' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
Jn 14:25-26 (ESVST) . 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
1Jo 2:26-27 (ESVST) . 27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you.
djhwoodwerks
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Jn 16:12-13 (ESVST) 12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Did Jesus teach to abstain from blood or did Paul?
I think it was Moses.
djhwoodwerks
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Christians teaching about what Paul taught is teaching about what Jesus taught Paul to teach. JW's teach more about apostasy, armaggedon, paradise earth, Christendom, the eternal sin of not using God's personal name, the sin of not going door to door than they do about Jesus.
"Dead in Sin" means NOTHING to me. No Sin can separate any Human from an Omnipotent/Omniscient Spirit. If that is possible then there is Not an Omnipotent/Omniscient Spirit anywhere. Now it's up to you and you alone to decide for yourself which words of which ancient writing can SAVE you.
Religious trappings have you believing you are separate and need "saved" from something for something. Well I'll agree, you are saved to be a slave to the Christian religion that uses an ancient Semitic book and God that it adopted as their own.