Mountain_Climber
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In the sense that nothing but nothing, not even death, can separate me from the love of God and/or his love of me, my reply to you is, Yes.
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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??
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djhwoodwerks
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Aren't you trolling? 
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
It becomes rather obvious that they license themselves to search for truth but then turn around and forbid others to do the same, calling it unfaithfulness to their headship.
For crying out loud, they condemned the Catholic church for doing that very thing.
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
I suppose if you think I am trolling then to you I am trolling.Aren't you trolling?
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
I suppose if you think I am trolling then to you I am trolling.
I was joking! Seemed there was tension building up and I just wanted to put a funny out there.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
They do condemn the Catholic church, but they sure do quote a lot in their publications.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
*** w62 9/15 p. 554 par. 5 “The Word”—Who Is He? According to John ***
5 But most controversial of all is the following reading of John 1:1, 2: “The Word was in the beginning, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This Word was in the beginning with God.” This reading is found in The New Testament in An Improved Version, published in London, England, in 1808. Similar is the reading by a former Roman Catholic priest: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This was with God in the beginning. Everything came into being through the Word, and without it nothing created sprang into existence.”
Foot Note:
*** w62 9/15 p. 554 “The Word”—Who Is He? According to John ***
The New Testament—A New Translation and Explanation Based on the Oldest Manuscripts, by Johannes Greber (a translation from German into English), edition of 1937, the front cover of this bound translation being stamped with a golden cross.
5 But most controversial of all is the following reading of John 1:1, 2: “The Word was in the beginning, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This Word was in the beginning with God.” This reading is found in The New Testament in An Improved Version, published in London, England, in 1808. Similar is the reading by a former Roman Catholic priest: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This was with God in the beginning. Everything came into being through the Word, and without it nothing created sprang into existence.”
Foot Note:
*** w62 9/15 p. 554 “The Word”—Who Is He? According to John ***
The New Testament—A New Translation and Explanation Based on the Oldest Manuscripts, by Johannes Greber (a translation from German into English), edition of 1937, the front cover of this bound translation being stamped with a golden cross.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
*** w83 4/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
■ Why, in recent years, has The Watchtower not made use of the translation by the former Catholic priest, Johannes Greber? (emphasis mine)
Doesn't this seem like a soft bar question asked by the WT editorial dept? Sure resembles questions in most of their publications. Unless it was by a member that uses the "common language by the common people" as is their Bible.
■ Why, in recent years, has The Watchtower not made use of the translation by the former Catholic priest, Johannes Greber? (emphasis mine)
Doesn't this seem like a soft bar question asked by the WT editorial dept? Sure resembles questions in most of their publications. Unless it was by a member that uses the "common language by the common people" as is their Bible.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
I know what the thread topic is. I started it.
How else can we show that the GB is not the exclusive channel for learning truth without bringing other things into the discussion?
Fot example: Until 2013, Watchtower and their followers taught that ALL christians were anointed. Now they teach only a select few are. That a HUGE swing.
How could God's exclusive channel make such a mistake if they are spirit-led? It makes me ask by what kind of spirit the GB is led by.
Watchtower teaches we cannot be saved, yet the Bible talks about being saved in many many places. This is why I asked if you were saved. How can the GB be God's exclusive channel if they contradict clear passages of the Bible that say christians are saved?
Why did Paul tell the jailer he could be saved by believing if he couldn't be saved?
It can be shown in any number of topics that the GB is not the exclusive channel as they claim.
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djhwoodwerks
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I apologize if I offended anyone by my statements, I meant no disrespect. It was dry humor I guess.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Okay, thank you for your answer.
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
I am not at all kidding when I said I see a change in that organization which signals it apostatized away from the old self. And it is not able to be explained away by a claim of the light of truth getting brighter to them.
As a boy I learned to read and write shortly after entering grade school very quickly, way ahead of my peers. By age 10 I was able to read complex articles and use complex reasoning as well as many adults. But my one love has always been for the Bible as God's Word. And so I began questioning the various beliefs at a very young age.
The subject of Galatians 1:15 was brought up because I know that is what Jehovah's Witnesses used to teach as a refutation to Galatians 1:15 which was at that time used by certain Christendom churches as a common claim of support for predestination.
For them to have gotten so far away from what they used to teach is far more than just advancing truth, as their members now seem to have no awareness even of their own history. On that basis I am now only seeing in them a chameleon shifting it's colors.
The discussions between you and katiemygirl and savage wind have helped me with that. Contrary to JayJayDee's doubt of me, I humbly do learn from whomever or whatever God sets before to learn from.
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katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
No, I wasn't at all offended. You just need to realize we each have our own way of showing that the GB is NOT God's exclusive channel. No offense taken.
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
Puts me in mind of myself.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
I hate when people stonewall, especially when asked a simple yes or no question. Yes, things got tense.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Me too!Puts me in mind of myself.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Thank you all! I am very new to the forum and I will become familiar with the way it works.
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
In communicating with one of their ex-members a year or maybe two ago, I learned that they believe that in the New World the lower animals will yet die. After he and I discussed it we agreed that was no doubt true, and that some corruptions cannot be properly viewed as contrary to God's perfect design of things, else food that falls to the ground decaying back to the soil for reuse would be against God. So we established that corruption is measured as a standard set by God related to the purpose for which he has designed certain things. The corruption which dishonors God is specifically the corruption induced by sin which cause things to fail in the purpose for which God created them.
But we also discussed their view that literally all animals will only eat vegetation in the New World. Have you ever thought about the many implications of that? And have you ever thought about how their continued death would need carrion birds and other meat eating creatures to keep our earth clean? For example the millions of salmon that swim up our rivers and creeks to spawn and then die?
Besides the fact that in the OT the examples they give to support their belief are actually speaking of man's various personalities, it yet nowhere comes right out and says they will not any longer eat meat.
But we also discussed their view that literally all animals will only eat vegetation in the New World. Have you ever thought about the many implications of that? And have you ever thought about how their continued death would need carrion birds and other meat eating creatures to keep our earth clean? For example the millions of salmon that swim up our rivers and creeks to spawn and then die?
Besides the fact that in the OT the examples they give to support their belief are actually speaking of man's various personalities, it yet nowhere comes right out and says they will not any longer eat meat.
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djhwoodwerks
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The GB teach the JW's very adamantly against spiritism. But most JW's don't know where the translation of their Bible originated. They don't realize that their Bible is based on the translation of Johannes Greber, a spirit medium.
*** w83 4/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
But as indicated in a foreword to the 1980 edition of The New Testament by Johannes Greber, this translator relied on “God’s Spirit World” to clarify for him how he should translate difficult passages. It is stated: “His wife, a medium of God’s Spiritworld was often instrumental in conveying the correct answers from God’s Messengers to Pastor Greber.”
*** w83 4/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
But as indicated in a foreword to the 1980 edition of The New Testament by Johannes Greber, this translator relied on “God’s Spirit World” to clarify for him how he should translate difficult passages. It is stated: “His wife, a medium of God’s Spiritworld was often instrumental in conveying the correct answers from God’s Messengers to Pastor Greber.”
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
I believe this is why they choose not to disclose the panel of men that wrote/translated their Bible. They say it was translated from the earliest manuscripts, but what they didn't say was, that it was based on interpretation of the earliest manuscripts "BY" Johannes Greber.