Water into wine: natural or supernatural?

[Pogo]

You’re the first to mention any arbiter.

The audio-generated closed captions can be set to the language of your choice.

The anthropologist to lead the discussion?
Subtitles would definitely help, it is an hour long but I will try just because it would be interesting.
I'll try for a while before I crash.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

The anthropologist to lead the discussion?

The anthropologist is giving a lecture at a webinar.

 

[Stargates]

Have you ever wondered ,Why Water into Wine?
Not Wine into Water!?
or Water into Oil?
Would that prove they were always drunk! ?
Alcoholic , for 5000 thousands years!

 

[Pogo]

The anthropologist is giving a lecture at a webinar.

That much I knew, but the subtitles let me know what cauca was referring to.
But to one of my earlier points, you told me subtitles were possible and so with minimal other experience of watching you-tubes I figured out how to turn them on and slow down the playback so I could keep up.

 

[Pogo]

Have you ever wondered ,Why Water into Wine?
Not Wine into Water!?
or Water into Oil?
Would that prove they were always drunk! ?
Alcoholic , for 5000 thousands years!

well we do seem to have an evolutionary propensity for alcohol consumption but the main advantage is even at low levels alcoholic beverages are less unhealthy than free running water.

 

[YoursTrue]

This thread is about whether such a miracle can occur naturally, or whether it is story invented by a person who has no understanding of how wine are made.

In the gospel of John, John 2 narrated that Jesus attended the wedding at Cana, where they have no wedding feast have no wine. So Jesus made wine, by turning water into wine.

Other than John, the other 3 gospels make no mention of this event.

You will have to ask yourself, can this miracle happen? Can water possibly turn into wine, or is this just a story, another parable or allegory? Or is it fairytale or myth, where the supernatural (like magic) is possible?

From my perspective, and my understanding of chemistry, this cannot be possible, let alone probable. This would only be possible if you believe in miracle, a supernatural occurrence. That's just simply blind faith, a conviction that the story is true.

People have been making wine, as far back as the Neolithic period, as well as the later periods (Bronze Age, Iron Age).

To understand wine making, you have to realize water are just basically molecule of 2 hydrogen atoms bonded to 1 oxygen atom.

But of course, there are type of water may have salt (eg sea water) and all sort of minerals (hence today, we can buy and drink mineral water). Plus, instead of the normal hydrogen atoms, it could be its isotope - deuterium, where the water known as "heavy water".

My point is that none of these types of water can turn into wine.

Wine required not only grapes, it also take time to turn grape juice and fermented the natural sugar in the grape into alcohol, and this chemical reaction can only occur if there are yeasts. That's how fermentation work for any alcoholic drinks (eg wine, beer, brandy, mead, etc).

Yeasts that what would turn sugar into alcohol, yeasts are actually unicellular fungi, more specifically

Fermentation is what distinguish wine from fruit juice.

So not only you would need grapes, you would need yeasts, to make wine.

Wine don't naturally come from water. Water has no grape juice, no sugar, no alcohol.

So Jesus' miracle a myth, or do you still think that water can turn into wine?

Agree...disagree. Your thoughts please.

A miracle (such as turning water into wine) would not happen naturally.

 

[Stargates]

well we do seem to have an evolutionary propensity for alcohol consumption but the main advantage is even at low levels alcoholic beverages are less unhealthy than free running water.

"evolutionary propensity for alcohol"

The is certainty the case !

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

That much I knew, but the subtitles let me know what cauca was referring to.
But to one of my earlier points, you told me subtitles were possible and so with minimal other experience of watching you-tubes I figured out how to turn them on and slow down the playback so I could keep up.

Here’s an interesting psychology experiment.

Listen to stairway to heaven backwards twice.

First with your eyes closed, and second with your eyes wide open reading the lyrics on the screen,

Note how much easier it is to hear the lyrics when you use all your senses.

Stairway to Heaven Backwards (With FULL Lyrics)​

 

[Pogo]

A miracle (such as turning water into wine) would not happen naturally.

@John D. Brey begs to differ with you, he seems to think that it is just undiscovered nature.

 

[YoursTrue]

@John D. Brey begs to differ with you, he seems to think that it is just undiscovered nature.

So? Do you go with that?

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

@John D. Brey begs to differ with you, he seems to think that it is just undiscovered nature.

I’ll hold the coats.

 

[Pogo]

Here’s an interesting psychology experiment.

Listen to stairway to heaven backwards twice.

First with your eyes closed, and second with your eyes wide open reading the lyrics on the screen,

Note how much easier it is to hear the lyrics when you use all your senses.

Stairway to Heaven Backwards (With FULL Lyrics)​

yes we strive to find meaning in pretty much any stimulus, and with a religious bent we find Satan and other cultural icons.

As to your video, If it made sense to you, you are capable of participating in a conversation about Cajun, Zydeco and other Mississippi Delta musical traditions without direct experience.

Anthropology is much easier to understand than much of math as it is based on our mutual human experience and not just explorations of a set of axioms even though they occasionally seem to correlate with physical observations.

 

[Pogo]

So? Do you go with that?

I have no dog in this fight.
But I do have popcorn.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

yes we strive to find meaning in pretty much any stimulus, and with a religious bent we find Satan and other cultural icons.

As to your video, If it made sense to you, you are capable of participating in a conversation about Cajun, Zydeco and other Mississippi Delta musical traditions without direct experience.

Anthropology is much easier to understand than much of math as it is based on our mutual human experience and not just explorations of a set of axioms even though they occasionally seem to correlate with physical observations.

There’s a name for people who think that anthropology is easier than math.

We call them anthropologists.

 

[Pogo]

There’s a name for people who think that anthropology is easier than math.

We call them anthropologists.

From each according to their abilities.

 

[YoursTrue]

I have no dog in this fight.
But I do have popcorn.

So then go fight. And leave the popcorn on the side. Which fights do you have your dog in, by the way? But that's interesting that you made that comment.

 

[Pogo]

So then go fight. And leave the popcorn on the side. Which fights do you have your dog in, by the way? But that's interesting that you made that comment.

Huh?

 

[YoursTrue]

Huh?

Yup. Thank you. If John D. Brey differs with me, so what? Either you don't have an opinion on this, or don't want to offer your opinion. So?

 

[Pogo]

Yup. Thank you. If John D. Brey differs with me, so what? Either you don't have an opinion on this, or don't want to offer your opinion. So?

Well that is rather your bad attitude, you don't care what anybody says or why, you just repeat whatever denial of the day you pick.
Here we have a person who agrees with you on much and you still don't care.
You wonder why nobody takes you seriously?

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Well that is rather your bad attitude, you don't care what anybody says or why, you just repeat whatever denial of the day you pick.
Here we have a person who agrees with you on much and you still don't care.
You wonder why nobody takes you seriously?

Do you need the coats back?