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We are living in a simulation

atanu

atanu

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Premium Member
Nick Bostrom in a 2003 paper hypothesised:

At least one of the following propositions is true: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.​

The implication is that we certainly are living in a simulation created by post humans. The paper can be read here.

https://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.pdf

Elon Musk and many others support the idea. Musk essentially says:

"There's a one in billions chance [we're in] base reality... I think it's one in billions. We should hope that's true because otherwise if civilization stops advancing, that could be due to some calamitous event that erases civilization, so maybe we should be hopeful this is a simulation. Otherwise, we will create simulations that are indistinguishable from reality or civilization will cease to exist. Those are the two options."​
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But the fantastic idea that Elon Musk wants us to believe is based on an assumption that consciousness is computation.

There are, in my opinion, pragmatic people who think that the idea is trash. One such opinion is linked below:

Elon Musk Is Wrong. We Aren't Living in a Simulation

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What do the RFers say about this? Especially the super scientists @LegionOnomaMoi, @Polymath257, @sayak83 , and others.

{sits with a big bag of fried chicken}
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

Think & Care
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Hmmm...my opinion is that this is indistinguishable from the 'brain in a vat' or 'the Matrix' scenarios. As such, it can be easily ignored until there is more evidence.

I'd point out there other such scenarios, like Broca's Brains (disembodied brains with consciousness that pop up from quantum fluctuations), which seem to have a common aspect (if the scenario is possible and time is infinite into the future, then *we* are more likely to be in the scenario than in reality).
 
leov

leov

Well-Known Member
atanu said:
Nick Bostrom in a 2003 paper hypothesised:

At least one of the following propositions is true: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.​

The implication is that we certainly are living in a simulation created by post humans. The paper can be read here.

https://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.pdf

Elon Musk and many others support the idea. Musk essentially says:

"There's a one in billions chance [we're in] base reality... I think it's one in billions. We should hope that's true because otherwise if civilization stops advancing, that could be due to some calamitous event that erases civilization, so maybe we should be hopeful this is a simulation. Otherwise, we will create simulations that are indistinguishable from reality or civilization will cease to exist. Those are the two options."​
...

But the fantastic idea that Elon Musk wants us to believe is based on an assumption that consciousness is computation.

There are, in my opinion, pragmatic people who think that the idea is trash. One such opinion is linked below:

Elon Musk Is Wrong. We Aren't Living in a Simulation

...

What do the RFers say about this? Especially the super scientists @LegionOnomaMoi, @Polymath257, @sayak83 , and others.

{sits with a big bag of fried chicken}
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It just may be true.
 
The Reverend Bob

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
It not that type of simulation. There is a danger to thinking it is a computer simulation. Universe isn't a computer but from what we see of how it works the closest analogy we have to describe how it works is the computer. The danger lie here in what theists will make of this. They are going to take an say if the universe is a computer simulation then there has to be an Ultimate Programmer i.e. God
 
David T

David T

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Premium Member
The Reverend Bob said:
It not that type of simulation. There is a danger to thinking it is a computer simulation. Universe isn't a computer but from what we see of how it works the closest analogy we have to describe how it works is the computer. The danger lie here in what theists will make of this. They are going to take an say if the universe is a computer simulation then there has to be an Ultimate Programmer i.e. God
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Well ther ya go you just disproved simulation theory as merely an extention of the analog version tha came previously.... God. Or southern baptist computer worshipers.
 
The Reverend Bob

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
David T said:
Well ther ya go you just disproved simulation theory as merely an extention of the analog version tha came previously.... God. Or southern baptist computer worshipers.
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I just think that the people who postulate this hypothesis should clarify what the mean before theists or Deepak Chopra get ahold of it and comes up with some sort of Quantum Woo
 
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