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We call it gut feeling or instinct; it's not, it's the devas at work (really long)

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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This is long, really long :eek: but it is my experience, and I share it because I truly believe the devas are active in our lives. I think we forget and don't appreciate what they do. They bestow blessings and give assistance when we least expect it, and most importantly, don't ask for it. I shall explain why I believe this. My life is an open book, so what is it to reveal more details? :shrug:

The Backstory: we live paycheck to paycheck. My partner is on Social Security Disability due to multiple back surgeries. SSD pays him very little, though it's certainly better than nothing, and I'm appreciative of that. I make a good $ but the problem stems from being waaayyy overextended for reasons I really need not go into, because it is what it is.

At every turn, when things seemed to hit rock bottom, and could not get any worse, something came out of the blue to get us through it. Or someone extended a completely unlooked for and unasked for favor that saved our hides.

Our 2nd car had a serious problem with a tie rod and had to be flat-bedded to the service center we used. We had no money to make the repairs until I got paid 3 days from then. The manager of the service center told us he had no problem with the car sitting there until we could afford to make the repairs. On pay day we told him to do the repairs; we had the car that afternoon.

In the past 3 years I had lumbar surgery and major rotator cuff surgery. Both times it was in the nick of time finding doctors out of the blue. If I didn't find them and have the surgeries when I did, I'd have had permanent nerve damage in my leg and lost full use of my arm, probably rendering me disabled. The doctors weren't in my insurance plan but agreed to take whatever the ins. co. paid them. I paid not a dime. One of the priests told me to pray to Lord Shiva to make me better. Of course I didn't think Lord Shiva would overnight heal me, but I believe he and/or Lord Ganesha put these doctors in my path at the right time.

When I had physical therapy, I could not drive. To take a cab 3 to 4 times a week would be a $40 round trip each day. There are no buses with routes where I needed to go. When I was resigned to having to put out $120-$160 each week for 12 weeks, the physical therapy center told me they provide transportation.

The latest incident is that much of our financial worries are being ameliorated because of people and events that crossed our paths in the nick of time. I wish I could say I won a state lottery, but that's not it. Suffice to say that events are falling into place wherein I don't have to worry about how the heck I'm going to pay the mortgage every month, and not risk losing the house. It also turns out that my partner may, just may be up for starting a volunteer job that could lead to networking for a paying part time job. On SSD you can work up to 20 hours/week and not lose benefits. This has come about because of something very, very stupid he did, for which we are both being punished; nay, learning a lesson. His physical and mental health has been spiraling downwards, but because of a chance appointment with a doctor, things could improve radically.

The Moral: I have never believed in praying "Oh please God, if I only had $1,000 to get my vehicle repaired!", or "I promise, make a vow to do X if you do X". I've never done that and I never will... it's tacky and presumptuous. I don't recite a mantra 1,008 times for a material benefit. I've gotten the help I needed when I needed it because I only ask "please tell me what to do to fix this; please give me the wisdom and sight I lack to resolve this", and then saying a heartfelt "thank you, I did not see that help coming", even when I despaired, losing faith to the point of wanting to check out of the hotel, if you get my drift. I'm not trying to be full of myself, but I think that in asking for less you receive more, even if you despair and lose faith.

Moreover, I believe that Lord Ganesha has put some of these problems in front of me to learn a lesson, which I hope I have, because I can see what needs to change. I believe that because my eyes were opened he's then removed them. Things are not peachy-keen; there are still problems that will take a long time to resolve, but it's coming.

I think I'm really digressing and rambling, so take this essay with a grain of salt, chalk it up to a personal catharsis, ignore it, pooh-pooh it ;) but I think it's also a matter of what you do for others as well as having faith, even when you don't have faith! (here I go sounding full of myself :facepalm:). It comes back to you... pay it forward in their names and the devas will appreciate it. Service to others is probably the greatest puja one can do, as long as you remember "You have a right to perform your prescribed duty, but you are not entitled to the fruits of action. Never consider yourself the cause of the results of your activities, ... " B.G. 2.47. Everything is done through, by, and for God(dess).

:namaste
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member
Btw, I put this in the Hinduism DIR because my faith is Hindu and in the Hindu gods, but if a mod feels it would be better served elsewhere, that's cool.
 

Zanuku

Member
(I did read it all, good of you to not simply give up during all that)
But...
Ganesha put the problems down to test your metal?
Why would he do that?
Sounds a bit harsh and like some sort of sadist version of Starcraft.
 

Viraja

Jaya Jagannatha!
Yes, we all do feel supported by god at some point or another. (that is without our trying or asking for it). Everytime there is a shooting or terrorist attack of sorts, I feel very much like the survivors from that spot, although never been near the place... it feels fortunate to be alive and well sometimes and I think it is all god's support that I feel this way.

Sometimes I've carried out special prarthna to get well, though. And when it worked out, I've felt elated, to be specially blessed by the Lord gods.
 

Fireside_Hindu

Jai Lakshmi Maa
I too, feel very uncomfortable asking God for things directly. When I'm really struggling something, I usually say, "Please tell me what I have to do to make this right. It doesn't have to be easy, I just need to know what to do."

The more awareness I've given the blessings I have received in the past, the more I see them day to day. Just remembering that helps me get through hard spots.

Thanks for sharing JN!

:camp:
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member
(I did read it all, good of you to not simply give up during all that)
But...
Ganesha put the problems down to test your metal?
Why would he do that?
Sounds a bit harsh and like some sort of sadist version of Starcraft.

Lord Ganesha is the Lord of Obstacles. He removes obstacles as well as puts them in our way to teach us something, reign us in if we get out of control. I don't know it's accurate to say it's to test our metal. I don not believe the gods test us, that's an Abrahamic concept. However, I do not know how we reconcile this if we are injured. I'm sure Vinayaka could speak more on that.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Yes, we all do feel supported by god at some point or another. (that is without our trying or asking for it). Everytime there is a shooting or terrorist attack of sorts, I feel very much like the survivors from that spot, although never been near the place... it feels fortunate to be alive and well sometimes and I think it is all god's support that I feel this way.

This is why I think it's silly to set aside one day a year to stuff ourselves and be gluttonous to be thankful. Every near miss I've had while driving (I'm defensive and aware... it's the other drivers that are nuts!) I let out a "whew! thank you Lord!"

Sometimes I've carried out special prarthna to get well, though. And when it worked out, I've felt elated, to be specially blessed by the Lord gods.

I was especially eager to perform my puja the other night when I got part of this new good news.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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Premium Member
I too, feel very uncomfortable asking God for things directly. When I'm really struggling something, I usually say, "Please tell me what I have to do to make this right. It doesn't have to be easy, I just need to know what to do."

The more awareness I've given the blessings I have received in the past, the more I see them day to day. Just remembering that helps me get through hard spots.

Thanks for sharing JN!

:camp:

:yes:
 

Viraja

Jaya Jagannatha!
I don't know it's accurate to say it's to test our metal. I don not believe the gods test us, that's an Abrahamic concept.

Well, actually it is a concept indeed embedded in Hinduism that the gods test us. I don't know how Abrahamic god is supposed to test the devotees, but in Hinduism time and again, god tests devotees' faith and devotion unto him/her. I've read in the story of some Nayanmars how god has tested them, in one story, god wants the devotees ( a man and his wife) to cook their children for him which they do, so eventually god (Lord Shiva) gives darshan and brings back the child to life. In Satyanarayana katha, Swami Satyanarayan tests a merchant for his devotion, when he fails, turns all his goods into plants and creepers, then makes his son-in-law disappear in the water, finally when the merchant realizes his mistake and cries for forgiveness, brings back everything and sets everything right. It is even said after Satyanarayan puja, that one should not forget to take his prasad at any cost before doing anything else first.
 

Viraja

Jaya Jagannatha!
This is why I think it's silly to set aside one day a year to stuff ourselves and be gluttonous to be thankful.

If you are talking about the dishes prepared for Janmashtami, Jai, then I'm not going to agree. It is the birth of a little child - our Sri Krishna, that too, away from his own home, we have to honor this divine child the best we can, it can even show one the merit of treating adopted children with the same love as that of one's own kids. Whereas for Sri Rama Navami, no dishes are prepared, just some plain jaggery water and buttermilk, that's all, because Rama was a king and had everything, he really does not need anything from us devotees!

Atleast that's how I see it. :cool:
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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If you are talking about the dishes prepared for Janmashtami, Jai, then I'm not going to agree.

No, I mean American Thanksgiving Day. I presume that Canadian Thanksgiving Day is not much different.
 

Vinayaka

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One day? In some cultures there are several days that one is glutinous ... wedding feasts, Xmas day, etc. besides Thanksgiving. Heck some people are gluttons all the time.
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
jai jai janarayana :namaste

sad to hear that things are tough , but not so sad that you have developed the way of looking and counting ones blessings , without that toughness we would have such comfortable lives that we wouldnt come to understand the delicate ballance of life , nor would we recognise the constant blessings bestowed on us by the lord , ...

there are many ways to look at this , ... as buddha did , .. that basicaly human life is suffering , ... and that if we did not know suffering we would become too attatched to this life and no progress would be made , ....so yes I agree with Viraja , the gods do test us , but even those tests are blessings , for without them we are not rising above our comfortable situations .

early on in my practicing I came accross a narasimha prayer ...''cut , cut , kill , kill , ever fullfill , ever fullfill all my desires to serve you '' .....and I realised that we shouldnt pray to these deitys if we are not prepaired to both trust and sacrifice ...

yes he will ''cut , cut ''..away our attatchments , and he will '' kill '' our ignorance ..it is no smoothe path it has rocks and pitfalls but you have beautifull faith and the lord will carry you through :D

if it is any consolation I too am allways broke and material stuff blows up , and bodies are never strongenough to do everything we want them to , ...and there are never enough hours in the day .... but the best consolation is that all of my most favorite devotee freinds are in just the same state eternaly broke and sarrounded by material problems , but realy it helps with being a genuine loving and caring human being :)

any how what did krsna say .....I carry what you lack .... and he does , every time I am supposed to be worrying about where the money is comming from for the next ...what ever I just put bhajans on and sing , ... and yes he carrys me through every time :balloons:
 
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Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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jai jai janarayana :namaste

sad to hear that things are tough , but not so sad that you have developed the way of looking and counting ones blessings , without that toughness we would have such comfortable lives that we wouldnt come to understand the delicate ballance of life , nor would we recognise the constant blessings bestowed on us by the lord , ...

Yes, those are all good points. Most of this is a learning experience. I just saw a friend of mine tonight who had a serious car accident. He doesn't know what happened because he blacked out. He has some sort of neuro-electrical problem with his heart. Apparently he went into arrhythmia or fibrillation. He's being monitored by cardiologists and a neurologist. He's pretty shaken up. His face has a scar that will probably never fully go away.

But what he told me is that he is rethinking his thinking about a lot of things in his life. Basically he said this was a wake-up call. He is Greek Orthodox, but he has a lot of interest and knowledge of eastern philosophy. I reminded him (and myself :rolleyes:) of what Thich Nhat Hanh always writes about "mindfulness" and "living in the moment".

I told him about a picture of HHDL with a quote about living. I'm going to give him a copy of this, and keep one for myself:

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there are many ways to look at this , ... as buddha did , .. that basicaly human life is suffering , ... and that if we did not know suffering we would become too attatched to this life and no progress would be made , ....so yes I agree with Viraja , the gods do test us , but even those tests are blessings , for without them we are not rising above our comfortable situations .

I suppose they are tests, though I don't think the gods give us more than we can handle. I tell myself that this is my dharma. I'm here for some reason. That keeps me going too, when it "gets dark".

early on in my practicing I came accross a narasimha prayer ...''cut , cut , kill , kill , ever fullfill , ever fullfill all my desires to serve you '' .....and I realised that we shouldnt pray to these deitys if we are not prepaired to both trust and sacrifice ...

yes he will ''cut , cut ''..away our attatchments , and he will '' kill '' our ignorance ..it is no smoothe path it has rocks and pitfalls but you have beautifull faith and the lord will carry you through :D

I always thought there is a fine line between having utmost faith and trust, and expecting. But I think the line is crossed from having utmost faith and trust to expecting when you think you can do whatever you want and God will bail you out. That's presumptuous and wrong.

if it is any consolation I too am allways broke and material stuff blows up , and bodies are never strongenough to do everything we want them to , ...and there are never enough hours in the day .... but the best consolation is that all of my most favorite devotee freinds are in just the same state eternaly broke and sarrounded by material problems , but realy it helps with being a genuine loving and caring human being :)

We're all in the same boat... and it's taking on water. :D Seriously, my friend's accident is making me realize even more that something worse could happen, whether it was to me or him. He told me that when he was taken into the ER, his wife came with their young son who was sobbing "help him, he's my best friend".

any how what did krsna say .....I carry what you lack .... and he does , every time I am supposed to be worrying about where the money is comming from for the next ...what ever I just put bhajans on and sing , ... and yes he carrys me through every time :balloons:

And Gandhi said “When disappointment stares me in the face and all alone I see not one ray of light, I go back to Bhagavad Geeta. I find a verse here and a verse there, and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming tragedies- and my life has been full of external tragedies-and if they have left no visible, indelible scar on me, I owe it all to the teaching of the Bhagavad Geeta.”
 

The Wizard

Active Member
This is long, really long :eek: but it is my experience, and I share it because I truly believe the devas are active in our lives. I think we forget and don't appreciate what they do. They bestow blessings and give assistance when we least expect it, and most importantly, don't ask for it. I shall explain why I believe this. My life is an open book, so what is it to reveal more details? :shrug:

The Backstory: we live paycheck to paycheck. My partner is on Social Security Disability due to multiple back surgeries. SSD pays him very little, though it's certainly better than nothing, and I'm appreciative of that. I make a good $ but the problem stems from being waaayyy overextended for reasons I really need not go into, because it is what it is.

At every turn, when things seemed to hit rock bottom, and could not get any worse, something came out of the blue to get us through it. Or someone extended a completely unlooked for and unasked for favor that saved our hides.

Our 2nd car had a serious problem with a tie rod and had to be flat-bedded to the service center we used. We had no money to make the repairs until I got paid 3 days from then. The manager of the service center told us he had no problem with the car sitting there until we could afford to make the repairs. On pay day we told him to do the repairs; we had the car that afternoon.

In the past 3 years I had lumbar surgery and major rotator cuff surgery. Both times it was in the nick of time finding doctors out of the blue. If I didn't find them and have the surgeries when I did, I'd have had permanent nerve damage in my leg and lost full use of my arm, probably rendering me disabled. The doctors weren't in my insurance plan but agreed to take whatever the ins. co. paid them. I paid not a dime. One of the priests told me to pray to Lord Shiva to make me better. Of course I didn't think Lord Shiva would overnight heal me, but I believe he and/or Lord Ganesha put these doctors in my path at the right time.

When I had physical therapy, I could not drive. To take a cab 3 to 4 times a week would be a $40 round trip each day. There are no buses with routes where I needed to go. When I was resigned to having to put out $120-$160 each week for 12 weeks, the physical therapy center told me they provide transportation.

The latest incident is that much of our financial worries are being ameliorated because of people and events that crossed our paths in the nick of time. I wish I could say I won a state lottery, but that's not it. Suffice to say that events are falling into place wherein I don't have to worry about how the heck I'm going to pay the mortgage every month, and not risk losing the house. It also turns out that my partner may, just may be up for starting a volunteer job that could lead to networking for a paying part time job. On SSD you can work up to 20 hours/week and not lose benefits. This has come about because of something very, very stupid he did, for which we are both being punished; nay, learning a lesson. His physical and mental health has been spiraling downwards, but because of a chance appointment with a doctor, things could improve radically.

The Moral: I have never believed in praying "Oh please God, if I only had $1,000 to get my vehicle repaired!", or "I promise, make a vow to do X if you do X". I've never done that and I never will... it's tacky and presumptuous. I don't recite a mantra 1,008 times for a material benefit. I've gotten the help I needed when I needed it because I only ask "please tell me what to do to fix this; please give me the wisdom and sight I lack to resolve this", and then saying a heartfelt "thank you, I did not see that help coming", even when I despaired, losing faith to the point of wanting to check out of the hotel, if you get my drift. I'm not trying to be full of myself, but I think that in asking for less you receive more, even if you despair and lose faith.

Moreover, I believe that Lord Ganesha has put some of these problems in front of me to learn a lesson, which I hope I have, because I can see what needs to change. I believe that because my eyes were opened he's then removed them. Things are not peachy-keen; there are still problems that will take a long time to resolve, but it's coming.

I think I'm really digressing and rambling, so take this essay with a grain of salt, chalk it up to a personal catharsis, ignore it, pooh-pooh it ;) but I think it's also a matter of what you do for others as well as having faith, even when you don't have faith! (here I go sounding full of myself :facepalm:). It comes back to you... pay it forward in their names and the devas will appreciate it. Service to others is probably the greatest puja one can do, as long as you remember "You have a right to perform your prescribed duty, but you are not entitled to the fruits of action. Never consider yourself the cause of the results of your activities, ... " B.G. 2.47. Everything is done through, by, and for God(dess).

:namaste
You're not alone. Things have occurred for me at times in which were so unexplainable or "uncannily coincidental" that I literally thought I was under some type of Adjustment Bureau (i.e. referring to the movie) type thing...
 

Maya3

Well-Known Member
Lord Ganesha is the Lord of Obstacles. He removes obstacles as well as puts them in our way to teach us something, reign us in if we get out of control. I don't know it's accurate to say it's to test our metal. I don not believe the gods test us, that's an Abrahamic concept. However, I do not know how we reconcile this if we are injured. I'm sure Vinayaka could speak more on that.

I often feel like Ganesha is putting obstacles in our way to get us to slow down so that we can see what is wrong.

He made sure it took a VERY long time in a store the other day so that we would notice the huge puddle of oil under our car. If it hadn't taken so long we could have driven into the woods, with no cell phones and the car could have broken down completely.

Maya
 

Maya3

Well-Known Member
He does, he puts smaller obstacles in our way to make us see the real obstacle ahead so that we can avoid it.
He also removes obstacles of course.

Maya
 
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