We need to have an honest discussion about race in America

[Kenny]

Racial problems exist because of hatred. Pretending as if racial differences don’t exist is not going to get rid of any type of hatred. The reality is, racial differences do exist, sticking your head in the sand and pretending as if they don’t will not solve anything, and it definitely will not get rid of racism; because there will always be those who don’t have their heads in the sand and will see things for what they are.

Again... I believe you are moving the goal post. Let me go back to the beginning and rephrase if, perhaps, it will be more understanding to you...

"I don't see people through racial profiling. I just see people." - Now... do racial problems exist because of hatred? Yes - when you divide people by color you give greater opportunity for hatred to exist.

Maybe, since you distinguish people by their race, you have an issue? I don't know.

And you never answered my question... "What do you see when you see someone of more melanin than most people?"

 

[Kfox]

It is always both; these two sides tend to be intertwined.

Intertwined? How? Please explain.

Do you have any interest at all in learning about CRT in depth, and why people argue the points you brought up?

What is it about CRT that you are under the impression I do not know?

Or would you prefer to dictate your subjective views about race on to others and just have them listen?

Ahh trying to use my own words against me huh? The reason it falls flat is because I have not even expressed; let alone dictated my views on race, I may have perhaps expressed my views on people who express views on race, but I have not expressed my own. Nice try though

 

[Kooky]

Intertwined? How? Please explain.

Economics do not exist in a vacuum, and neither do governmental institution. Just as government is grounded in economics and dependent on it, economics are informed by laws, regulations, and the way institutions enforce these rules on people and organizations.

Further, economic and political marginalization frequently go hand in hand, as do economic and political power; economic marginalization is often a consequence of political marginalization, and economically lower classes are, likewise, often politically marginalized.

What is it about CRT that you are under the impression I do not know?

You just haven't shown any interest in their arguments, only in mocking their positions.

Ahh trying to use my own words against me huh? The reason it falls flat is because I have not even expressed; let alone dictated my views on race, I may have perhaps expressed my views on people who express views on race, but I have not expressed my own. Nice try though

Is there a particular reason why you are so reluctant to bring your own position into a discussion you yourself have started?

 

[Kfox]

Again... I believe you are moving the goal post. Let me go back to the beginning and rephrase if, perhaps, it will be more understanding to you...

"I don't see people through racial profiling. I just see people." - Now... do racial problems exist because of hatred? Yes - when you divide people by color you give greater opportunity for hatred to exist.

I’m not talking about dividing people by color, I’m talking about recognizing color exist.

Maybe, since you distinguish people by their race, you have an issue? I don't know.

Just because I recognize race exist does not mean I have an issue with it

And you never answered my question... "What do you see when you see someone of more melanin than most people?"

I see someone of more melanin than most people. Now I’ve got a question for you; what do you see when you see someone who stands 6 feet tall?

 

[Kfox]

You just haven't shown any interest in their arguments, only in mocking their positions.

If I didn't have any interest in their arguments, I would not know enough about their arguments to mock their positions; don't cha think?

Is there a particular reason why you are so reluctant to bring your own position into a discussion you yourself have started?

Reluctant? Thus far nobody has asked for my opinion on racial issues, so I've had no reason to state them.

 

[Kenny]

I’m not talking about dividing people by color, I’m talking about recognizing color exist

Just because I recognize race exist does not mean I have an issue with it
.

It seemed more like you were talking about race. I am happy that you understand that there are differences of melanin that exist in people

I see someone of more melanin than most people. Now I’ve got a question for you; what do you see when you see someone who stands 6 feet tall?

Someone I can look up to. No race involved.

 

[Kfox]

It seemed more like you were talking about race.

I was talking about race

Someone I can look up to. No race involved.

I'm curious; why did you describe a person, then ask what I saw when I see the person you just described? Did you expect a different answer than what you described?

 

[Kenny]

I was talking about race

I'm curious; why did you describe a person, then ask what I saw when I see the person you just described? Did you expect a different answer than what you described?

Ok... so you see race and I see mankind. Now we know how we see things and how we differ in what we see.

I don't think I described a person... you will have to remind me. What I thought you said was that YOU described a person and asked how I saw him. If I am looking at his eyes, I obviously will be looking up.

Personally, I wasn't expecting anything that I can remember of... I have simply answered your questions and asked you questions.

Where do you want to go from here?

 

[Kfox]

Ok... so you see race and I see mankind. Now we know how we see things and how we differ in what we see.

Actually I see race and I see mankind. But it isn't limited to only those, there are probably a million different things I will see when I see a person; race, or mankind is just one of those millions of different things I will see.

 

[Kenny]

Actually I see race and I see mankind. But it isn't limited to only those, there are probably a million different things I will see when I see a person; race, or mankind is just one of those millions of different things I will see.

That's great... so the only difference between you and I is that I don't see race and you do. I guess that makes individuality.

 

[Kfox]

That's great... so the only difference between you and I is that I don't see race and you do. I guess that makes individuality.

I doubt your vision is that bad, the difference is I recognize race, and you deny, or pretend it isn't there.

 

[Kooky]

If I didn't have any interest in their arguments, I would not know enough about their arguments to mock their positions; don't cha think?

I don't see how one follows from the other, no. Mockery does not require much knowledge.

Reluctant? Thus far nobody has asked for my opinion on racial issues, so I've had no reason to state them.

So what's your opinion on racial issues, and how does that inform your position on social theory?

 

[Kfox]

I don't see how one follows from the other, no. Mockery does not require much knowledge.

In order to mock with valid points, it does.

So what's your opinion on racial issues, and how does that inform your position on social theory?

I believe all races are equal. Any view that strays away from that, I disagree with.

 

[Curious George]

In order to mock with valid points, it does.

I believe all races are equal. Any view that strays away from that, I disagree with.

Do you believe all races have faced equal historic oppression?

Do you believe all races have equally been impacted by the historic oppression they have faced?

Do you believe that race, or the perception thereof, equally impacts people's lives today?

 

[Kooky]

I believe all races are equal. Any view that strays away from that, I disagree with.

Do you believe that proponents of Critical Race Theory consider races to be inequal?
If so, what led you to that belief?

 

[Friend of Mara]

Over the years, I’ve heard many people say that we need to have an honest discussion about race in America, but when the people who say this get the discussion, I’ve found 100% of the time (not most of the time, not even 90%, but 100% of the time) it turns out these are the very people who do not want an honest discussion about race in America. What they want is to dictate their subjective views about race to everyone else, even to the point of offending others, but they do not want others dictating their subjective views at them; even even to a point that they might find offensive.
They want to express their views to others and have others listen to them, without giving input or disagreement, and they attempt to conflate this with having an honest discussion about race. This is not a discussion, this is dictation; this is indoctrination. Now if this is what you want, fine; just just say so! Say you want to dictate your subjective views about race on to others and just have them listen; and quit calling it a desire for an honest discussion, because that it is not.
Your thoughts?

It goes like this.

There is massive disparity that can objectively proven with data.
Person 1 "Yo. Seems pretty sus. Maybe we should talk about this and fix whatever is causing it."
Person 2 "There is no racism. It ended in the 60's when we killed MLK."
Person 1 "Here is chart of various things showing the disparity"
Person 2 "Hmm. Sounds like those races need to get their **** together."
Person 1 "....what?"

Not to quote the most decisive leftist that seem to have ever existed but if there is a disparity it is either institutional or biological in nature. It isn't happenstance or statistical anomaly.

Its not biological. Its not genetic. We know that. We also can point to specific points where there is systematic discrimination.

 

[Kfox]

Do you believe all races have faced equal historic oppression?

No.

Do you believe all races have equally been impacted by the historic oppression they have faced?

No

Do you believe that race, or the perception thereof, equally impacts people's lives today?

No.

 

[Kfox]

Do you believe that proponents of Critical Race Theory consider races to be inequal?
If so, what led you to that belief?

I can't speak for all proponents of Critical Race Theory, but I am convinced 2 people who have written books that have become the face of CRT; Robin Dangelo and Ibram Kendi are both racists. I base this on the books they've written, and the interviews they've given concerning their views on race.

 

[Curious George]

No.

No

No.

Don't these views stray away from an "all races are equal" viewpoint? If we think these inequalities exist, then what is the best way to address them?

 

[Kfox]

Not to quote the most decisive leftist that seem to have ever existed but if there is a disparity it is either institutional or biological in nature. It isn't happenstance or statistical anomaly.

What about culture? Do you think culture might have something to do with it?

Its not biological. Its not genetic. We know that. We also can point to specific points where there is systematic discrimination.

Such as?