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We will not send any soldiers to fight against Russians, in Ukraine

Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
That's what the Deputy PM of Italy, Tajani said: we are not at war with Russia.

That's very similar to what the German Chancellor said:

It looks like la France de Macron, is isolated. ;)
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Estro Felino said:
That's what the Deputy PM of Italy, Tajani said: we are not at war with Russia.

That's very similar to what the German Chancellor said:

It looks like la France de Macron, is isolated. ;)
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Probably just needs a bit of context: Russia calls France leader Macron refusing to rule out troops for Ukraine "very dangerous"

It is somewhat strange, considering how much we've been hearing about Russia being on the verge of defeat. But with Macron suggesting there might be a need for outside intervention, it makes one wonder if they've been telling the truth about the true state of the war or not.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Stevicus said:
Probably just needs a bit of context: Russia calls France leader Macron refusing to rule out troops for Ukraine "very dangerous"

It is somewhat strange, considering how much we've been hearing about Russia being on the verge of defeat. But with Macron suggesting there might be a need for outside intervention, it makes one wonder if they've been telling the truth about the true state of the war or not.
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It's because the French élites still have a military presence in Western Africa, exploiting those countries.
And Russia is supporting these liberation movements against the French army.

So the French élites just want to get revenge on Putin, they couldn't care less about Ukrainians.

Germany's interests (and ours, to some extent) definitely clash with France's anachronistic desire to keep her colonial empire.
 
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Stevicus

Stevicus

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Estro Felino said:
It's because the French élites still have a military presence in Western Africa, exploiting those countries.
And Russia is supporting these liberation movements against the French army.

So the French just wants to get revenge on Putin, they couldn't care less about Ukrainians.

Germany's interests (and ours, to some extent) definitely clash with France's anachronistic desire to keep her colonial empire.
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It would seem that, if France chooses to send troops to Ukraine, it would ultimately weaken their position in Western Africa anyway. It could also trigger reactions from other world powers, too.

A lot of Western countries, including France, have been facing internal problems as well. They've had to deal with these yellow vest protests, along with other turmoil caused by proposals to raise the retirement age. It's similar in the U.S. with acute crises in the areas of housing and healthcare, among other problems. The West does not have unlimited resources, and we are not invulnerable. But those who have grown accustomed to living in ivory towers, in insular surroundings, and out of touch with the masses...they don't seem to realize this.

Our leaders still seem to believe that it's the 1950s, back when America was on top of the world and could impose its will anytime and anywhere it wanted. We don't live in that world anymore. Even worse is that their rhetoric and propaganda also appear to reflect that same level of muddled, outmoded thinking reminiscent of Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Stevicus said:
It would seem that, if France chooses to send troops to Ukraine, it would ultimately weaken their position in Western Africa anyway. It could also trigger reactions from other world powers, too.
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Macron takes decisions after consulting with those banking élites, probably.
Stevicus said:
A lot of Western countries, including France, have been facing internal problems as well. They've had to deal with these yellow vest protests, along with other turmoil caused by proposals to raise the retirement age. It's similar in the U.S. with acute crises in the areas of housing and healthcare, among other problems. The West does not have unlimited resources, and we are not invulnerable. But those who have grown accustomed to living in ivory towers, in insular surroundings, and out of touch with the masses...they don't seem to realize this.
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It's the élites who want to rob all resources from the people out of greed.
It's like there are 200 people on a desert island. Six of them want to gain control of the resources of 90% of this island, and the 194 will have to figure out how to live with remaining 10%.
 
Altfish

Altfish

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No country is sending troops to Ukraine to fight Russia.
Many countries are sending weapons though.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

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Premium Member
Altfish said:
It will be NATO, not individual countries, that go into Ukraine. And if that happens we ARE in trouble.
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Maybe you don't understand.
The élites are in trouble. They are in the deepest...
Because armies and law enforcement will join the protests of the enraged people on the street.
The élites have been watching what's happening in Europe, right now.
Germany, Belgium, Netherlands...
:)

As for individual countries... there are already the chants on the street Sortons de l'OTAN in France.
 
Altfish

Altfish

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Estro Felino said:
Maybe you don't understand.
The élites are in trouble. They are in the deepest...
Because armies and law enforcement will join the protests of the enraged people on the street.
The élites have been watching what's happening in Europe, right now.
Germany, Belgium, Netherlands...
:)

As for individual countries... there are already the chants on the street Sortons de l'OTAN in France.
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Who are these 'elites' that you speak of? Berlusconi's successors?
 
PureX

PureX

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It is true that France has been feeding itself economically from a number of African States, and that the Russian have been backing a successful revolution away from France's exploitive hold in those states. Which is why France would like to see the war in Ukraine stepped up, and causing Putin to focus his military resources, there.

But I agree that it's not the smartest idea. Mostly because I think the writing is on the wall, and like it or not, it's time for France to give up it's economic strangle-hold on those mid-African nations. That will mean taking a big hit, economically, but that's what happens when the karma finally comes home.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
PureX said:
It is true that France has been feeding itself economically from a number of African States, and that the Russian have been backing a successful revolution away from France's exploitive hold in those states. Which is why France would like to see the war in Ukraine stepped up, and causing Putin to focus his military resources, there.

But I agree that it's not the smartest idea. Mostly because I think the writing is on the wall, and like it or not, it's time for France to give up it's economic strangle-hold on those mid-African nations. That will mean taking a big hit, economically, but that's what happens when the karma finally comes home.
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Italy has presented the project of a Marshall-like Plan for Africa, which will be a great changing. A start.
There were all African leaders at the Italian Parliament.
Von der Leyen and Metsola were present.
I haven't seen Macron...I wonder why... ;)
 
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JIMMY12345

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Estro Felino said:
That's what the Deputy PM of Italy, Tajani said: we are not at war with Russia.

That's very similar to what the German Chancellor said:

It looks like la France de Macron, is isolated. ;)
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If Russia attacks Italy.(note previous World wars)

Please advise if Italy expects any support from Europe ...... and Ukraine.Trump would probably have to consult with Putin before USA decides.
 
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