Welfare Pays More Than Minimum Wage In 35 States

[Revoltingest]

Just like I said, today's FOX conservatives possess an insipid understanding of the problem, if they have any understanding at all. FOX lies are so frickin' predictable.

Right. I'm just addressing the other side of the coin, ie, the MSNBC leftists possessing an insipid misunderstanding of the problem, if they have any understanding at all. MSNBC lies are so tediously predictable.

 

[Sunstone]

Right. I'm just addressing the other side of the coin...

It's probably too much to ask of you to get your facts straight, though. Your characterization of the position of most liberals is hopelessly exaggerated. Of course, it might not be very exaggerated by FOX standards.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's probably too much to ask of you to get your facts straight, though. Your characterization of the position of most liberals is hopelessly exaggerated. Of course, it might not be very exaggerated by FOX standards.

What a coincidence...I was thinking the same thing. Your characterizations are
ridiculously exaggerated, & obsessively focused on Fox, a typical MSNBC attitude.

 

[Reverend Rick]

You own a store and have 10 people working for minimum wage. You have that number because it's just the right number to meet the sales demands but not have too many employees. Now you have to increase their pay by 20%. Do you a) fire 2 of the employees and then not have enough help to meet demand or b) keep them all and find some way to make up the extra costs (especially if you're a larger company where profits are already at record highs)?

What you are saying is that the employer should absorb the 20% wage increase.

No business person in their right mind has a 20% increase in anything that does not pass the increase on to the consumer.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Look, if he makes just above minimum wage, and has been working that job for many years, then he just doesn't have any ambition or he has no skills that an employer is willing to pay for.

Minimum wage jobs are jobs that don't require any special skill or any special knowledge or any advanced education.
Minimum wage jobs are easily filled and anyone can do them, with very little training needed....like making a sandwich at Subways or being a dog walker or stocking shelves with canned foods.
Basically they are jobs for high school kids and retirees.

If a person want to make more than minimum wage then they need to learn some skills that will make them more marketable and less easily replaceable.

There's this young man who mows my mother's lawn and he is always whining about not being able to find a good job.
It turns out that he dropped out of school in the 10th grade.
Never got his GED.
And he doesn't know how to do anything much except mow lawns and play video games.
And when his lawn mower breaks he has to get his dad to fix it.
I encouraged him to join the military and get some type of skill....but he has a problem with people telling him what to do (so he says).
And this kid will probably end up making minimum wage, and it's his own damn fault.

I submit a challenge to you. Go to McDonalds and get a job. Now also go to school full time. Live on your own or with a single roommate. Pay for your own cell phone, Car insurance, Car payments, Rent, Food, Electricity ect. Then work there for 3 years and if you can get to a point where you are making more than 10 dollars an hour then I will sit on a horse sized dildo.

Not even the managers make 10 dollars an hour starting off. Most of the time NO ONE at a McDonalds makes 15 dollar (which still is crap pay) which at full time is just over 30k a year. Your seriously ignorant in your position.

 

[Sunstone]

Your characterizations are
ridiculously exaggerated...

I have characterized today's FOX conservatives as blind to the political consequences of a great disparity between rich and poor. In response, you have typically chosen to attack MSNBC, rather than provide any evidence that today's FOX conservatives are actually concerned with the political consequences of a great disparity between rich and poor. You have then implicitly tried to pass off your clever avoidance of the issue as sane reasoning.

Debating you is a waste of time.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I submit a challenge to you. Go to McDonalds and get a job. Now also go to school full time. Live on your own or with a single roommate. Pay for your own cell phone, Car insurance, Car payments, Rent, Food, Electricity ect. Then work there for 3 years and if you can get to a point where you are making more than 10 dollars an hour then I will sit on a horse sized dildo.

Not even the managers make 10 dollars an hour starting off. Most of the time NO ONE at a McDonalds makes 15 dollar (which still is crap pay) which at full time is just over 30k a year. Your seriously ignorant in your position.

Quit trying to make a career out of a crap job. :ignore:

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Quit trying to make a career out of a crap job. :ignore:

Did you even read our back and forth? He was working a minimum wage for 3 years while he was in college getting his BA. How is your statement even remotely relevant?

 

[freethinker44]

Quit trying to make a career out of a crap job. :ignore:

Holy crap, you are the real life "old economy Steve".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I submit a challenge to you. Go to McDonalds and get a job. Now also go to school full time. Live on your own or with a single roommate. Pay for your own cell phone, Car insurance, Car payments, Rent, Food, Electricity ect. Then work there for 3 years and if you can get to a point where you are making more than 10 dollars an hour then I will sit on a horse sized dildo.

Not even the managers make 10 dollars an hour starting off. Most of the time NO ONE at a McDonalds makes 15 dollar (which still is crap pay) which at full time is just over 30k a year. Your seriously ignorant in your position.

The average store manager makes about $30,000 a year (give or take a few grand depending on the site). But a 70-hour work week is probably a light week for many of them, which even at that would put them at 3640 hours a year, or only about $8.24 an hour if they were paid hourly. An 80-hour week is below minimum wage.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

The average store manager makes about $30,000 a year (give or take a few grand depending on the site). But a 70-hour work week is probably a light week for many of them, which even at that would put them at 3640 hours a year, or only about $8.24 an hour if they were paid hourly. An 80-hour week is below minimum wage.

All of the managers I've seen are hourly. But maybe you mean the district managers? Or maybe its different than where I live. But 30k a year is about 15 dollars an hour at 40 hours a week.

Edit. Or just above the poverty line for a family of 4 I think.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Quit trying to make a career out of a crap job. :ignore:

Do you realize it isn't that easy? No you don't have to stay at McDonalds. You can go to Burger King or Subway. Or you can go work at the gas station. Or work at Best Buy or Sears.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All of the managers I've seen are hourly. But maybe you mean the district managers? Or maybe its different than where I live. But 30k a year is about 15 dollars an hour at 40 hours a week.

Edit. Or just above the poverty line for a family of 4 I think.

Shift managers are hourly, but store managers are often salary. Assistant managers I'm not sure about. And I wouldn't think there is a single McDonalds Store Manager that works only 40 hours a week.

 

[freethinker44]

Shift managers are hourly, but store managers are often salary. Assistant managers I'm not sure about. And I wouldn't think there is a single McDonalds Store Manager that works only 40 hours a week.

I don't know. My father-in-law owns four Subway restaurants and he probably only works 30 hours a week, if that. He does pay people to manage each individual store but I don't know how much they work. I know he pays them hourly though, and he doesn't pay them overtime, so they probably work less than 40 hours a week.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't know. My father-in-law owns four Subway restaurants and he probably only works 30 hours a week, if that. He does pay people to manage each individual store but I don't know how much they work. I know he pays them hourly though, and he doesn't pay them overtime, so they probably work less than 40 hours a week.

They must be well managed if they don't have problems with call-offs to the point they don't pay out overtime. Any store manager I have known, from a few different companies, is seen as free labor when labor gets high or there isn't anyone to cover a call-off. A store manager for I think it was Arbys was required to work at least 50 hours a week, and she was paid on salary.
But, I've also not known anyone in the position of managing a locally owned franchise though, which is probably a big part of the difference.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I don't know. My father-in-law owns four Subway restaurants and he probably only works 30 hours a week, if that. He does pay people to manage each individual store but I don't know how much they work. I know he pays them hourly though, and he doesn't pay them overtime, so they probably work less than 40 hours a week.

If I could do anything in life It would be own Franchises. Its basically free money if you have good managers. It can be hell if you have bad managers. But more or less you do nothing by simply "owning" a store. The fact he even works 30 hours a week seems like he must be well invovled.

Though being able to pay managers hourly and not have overtime issues does mean that he either has a really good system or has plenty of assistant managers to assist the manager.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

What you are saying is that the employer should absorb the 20% wage increase.

But they almost never do.

No business person in their right mind has a 20% increase in anything that does not pass the increase on to the consumer.

Exactly. Back in the 80's/90's it was so cheap, even cheaper than it is today, to go into a McDonald's and get a 59cent burger and pay pennies on the dollar for fries and a drink. As time marches on, minimum wage increases...and other business related cost increase they've adapted, like all businesses, and they raise their prices as well. That's why a burger cost $1, and fries cost a $1. So passing the cost onto the consumer is exactly what many of these businesses do......yet this has not affected the consumer nor has it affected their bottom line. In fact they are more profitable than they've ever been.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Exactly. Back in the 80's/90's it was so cheap, even cheaper than it is today, to go into a McDonald's and get a 59cent burger and pay pennies on the dollar for fries and a drink. As time marches on, minimum wage increases...and other business related cost increase they've adapted, like all businesses, and they raise their prices as well. That's why a burger cost $1, and fries cost a $1. So passing the cost onto the consumer is exactly what many of these businesses do......yet this has not affected the consumer nor has it affected their bottom line. In fact they are more profitable than they've ever been.

While I agree with you on your overall points I must tell you that the size of the meals back then were significantly smaller. So our meals today will be more expensive even with inflation. But I do agree with you that buisnesses that can't afford to pay their employees should go out of buisness. They will learn to adapt or go out of buisness.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

While I agree with you on your overall points I must tell you that the size of the meals back then were significantly smaller. So our meals today will be more expensive even with inflation. But I do agree with you that buisnesses that can't afford to pay their employees should go out of buisness. They will learn to adapt or go out of buisness.

Yes...you're correct.

Edit: Standard meals in my locale have remained the same size with the exception of the size of the soda.

 

[maninthewilderness]

Just like I said, today's FOX conservatives....

I wonder, did you personally coin the phrase "FOX conservatives" or are you merely parroting a phrase created by some other entity?

Did you create the term, or did you hear it elsewhere?