Welfare Pays More Than Minimum Wage In 35 States

[maninthewilderness]

So when you purposely ignore the actual data on this matter it's very difficult to take you serious anymore. I just gave you a slew of articles that tell you exactly why adults and high schoolers are competing for the same jobs.....

"Actual data"???
Actual BS data I say.

Nope. I'm perfectly fine with capitalism. I was just pointing out how wrong you were. I like to at least present some evidence instead of making off the cuff remarks...which it what you've been doing.

I'm not wrong on this issue, you are.
Please come back when you have something intelligent to say.

 

[Sunstone]

I wonder, did you personally coin the phrase "FOX conservatives" or are you merely parroting a phrase created by some other entity?

Did you create the term, or did you hear it elsewhere?

I don't recall having heard it before, but that doesn't mean someone else hasn't thought of it, too. It would seem a natural way to differentiate so many of today's conservatives from, say, the much saner Eisenhower years.

 

[maninthewilderness]

I submit a challenge to you. Go to McDonalds and get a job. Now also go to school full time. Live on your own or with a single roommate. Pay for your own cell phone, Car insurance, Car payments, Rent, Food, Electricity ect. Then work there for 3 years and if you can get to a point where you are making more than 10 dollars an hour then I will sit on a horse sized dildo.

Not even the managers make 10 dollars an hour starting off. Most of the time NO ONE at a McDonalds makes 15 dollar (which still is crap pay) which at full time is just over 30k a year. Your seriously ignorant in your position.

Jobs at McDonald's are for high school kids and retirees.

If you are an adult in your middle age, and you are working at McDonald's, then you have already made way too many life/career mistakes.


Minimum wage was always intended as an entry level wage for those just entering the workforce for the very first time.
It was never intended to be a career salary.

It takes virtually no skills to work at McDonald's.

If you want to get paid more, then learn more skills and don't work at a fast food joint.

 

[maninthewilderness]

Do you realize it isn't that easy? No you don't have to stay at McDonalds. You can go to Burger King or Subway. Or you can go work at the gas station. Or work at Best Buy or Sears.

If those are your only options then you have made many bad choices in your life.

Why can't you get a job working for Microsoft or BMW or 3M or Eurodrive or Zimmer or Delta or....

Why are the only choices McDonald's or Burger King or Subway?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Jobs at McDonald's are for high school kids and retirees.

If you are an adult in your middle age, and you are working at McDonald's, then you have already made way too many life/career mistakes.


Minimum wage was always intended as an entry level wage for those just entering the workforce for the very first time.
It was never intended to be a career salary.

It takes virtually no skills to work at McDonald's.

If you want to get paid more, then learn more skills and don't work at a fast food joint.

I shall repeate. HE is getting his BA or 4 year degree so that he may start his career. He is putting almost all of his effort into training for that. It would be stupid to get some menial training in that would waste 2-4 years of his life from obtaining his original goal.

Therefore he works for a rate that is the only one availible to him at the time so that he can live. You know, pay the bills enough to not be homeless so he can make it through his college years.

I never said he was middle aged. He is currently 22. He is only a year or two away from graduating. And yet you still say he is "retarded"?

You talk a lot about how anything remotely "left wing" that has been said is just regurgitated propaganda but your so overly convinced that your right you go out and assume exactly what I'm talking about and fight against a position I haven't taken up. I'm not a democrat.

 

[maninthewilderness]

I don't recall having heard it before, but that doesn't mean someone else hasn't thought of it, too. It would seem a natural way to differentiate so many of today's conservatives from, say, the much saner Eisenhower years.

"Natural"?
Hardly!

I doubt that even 1/3 of conservatives even watch FOX.

I don't.


It sounds like a BS term to me.

Maybe I will start a new term for liberal men....

"Ovulating liberal men"!

Yeah! That makes as much sense as "FOX conservatives".

 

[Sunstone]

"Natural"?
Hardly!

I doubt that even 1/3 of conservatives even watch FOX.

I don't.


It sounds like a BS term to me.

Maybe I will start a new term for liberal men....

"Ovulating liberal men"!

Yeah! That makes as much sense as "FOX conservatives".

Sounds like I struck a nerve there.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Ovulating? Is that a strike at the "manhood" of liberals? Sunstone is a verified Feminist so I don't think that is really an apt insult as he probably wouldn't find anything wrong with being equated to a woman. What would be wrong with it in the first place?

 

[maninthewilderness]

I shall repeate. HE is getting his BA or 4 year degree so that he may start his career. He is putting almost all of his effort into training for that. It would be stupid to get some menial training in that would waste 2-4 years of his life from obtaining his original goal.

Again, if he has been at the same job for years, with no promotion beyond minimum wage, the yes, he is not mentally right.
If he went elsewhere he could literally not do worse, and would most likely do better.

Therefore he works for a rate that is the only one availible to him at the time so that he can live. You know, pay the bills enough to not be homeless so he can make it through his college years.

Are you positive that his chosen course of action is the only one available to him?

I doubt this to be true.

I never said he was middle aged. He is currently 22. He is only a year or two away from graduating. And yet you still say he is "retarded"?

He's 22 years old, and attending college, and he is ******** about being paid minimum wage?!?!

Sounds like just another spoiled arrogant brat to me!

You talk a lot about how anything remotely "left wing" that has been said is just regurgitated propaganda but your so overly convinced that your right you go out and assume exactly what I'm talking about and fight against a position I haven't taken up. I'm not a democrat

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say.

Again please.
And in English this time please.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Again, if he has been at the same job for years, with no promotion beyond minimum wage, the yes, he is not mentally right.
If he went elsewhere he could literally not do worse, and would most likely do better.

An example would be nice. And as stated before most managers make less than 10 dollars an hour so where would he be "promoted" too exactly?

Are you positive that his chosen course of action is the only one available to him?

I doubt this to be true.

He could go to another low paying job and do about the same work for the same pay? Or he could get slight training and push back his degree by a few years. Sounds far more idiotic to me.

He's 22 years old, and attending college, and he is ******** about being paid minimum wage?!?!

Newsflash. You have to graduate and get your degree before it means jack **** in terms of how much you make. No one will pay you a higher wage because your "almost an architect". His grandmother has the same mentality and its mind blowing.

Sounds like just another spoiled arrogant brat to me!

Arrogant? Your the one spouting insults and calling others mentally handicapped because apparently they don't meet up to your standards because your situations are obviously universal. But no he is arrogant.

Just out of curiosity did you go to college? If so what did you do during the time?

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say.

Again please.
And in English this time please.

I don't know if this was a joke or trolling. But to reiterate......

I find it highly ironic that you claim that a majority of your opposition is simply re-hashed propaganda from various alternative news sources. However at the exact same time your responses and wording couldn't be more sterotypical of the exact same thing with exception of the source of information.

 

[Reverend Rick]

He could go to another low paying job and do about the same work for the same pay? Or he could get slight training and push back his degree by a few years. Sounds far more idiotic to me.

Why? it took almost 20 years to get my MBA.

Newsflash. You have to graduate and get your degree before it means jack **** in terms of how much you make. No one will pay you a higher wage because your "almost an architect". His grandmother has the same mentality and its mind blowing.

What world do you live in? Many Architectual firms would love to have an intern and pay them more than McDonalds. Just because you have a degree does not make you an architect either or allow you to command a higher wage. You have to get work experience as well. Getting a degree is a journey not a destination.

Many folks make not bad money with partial degrees and get promoted when they finish their degree. Still, they have to have years of experience before making killer money. Experience trumps a degree every time, the degree is just a foundation for a good career.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have characterized today's FOX conservatives as blind to the political consequences of a great disparity between rich and poor. In response, you have typically chosen to attack MSNBC, rather than provide any evidence that today's FOX conservatives are actually concerned with the political consequences of a great disparity between rich and poor. You have then implicitly tried to pass off your clever avoidance of the issue as sane reasoning.

Debating you is a waste of time.

I have characterized today's MSNBC lefties as blind to the economic consequences of the blind rush to high taxes & ballooning regulation. In response, you have typically chosen to attack Fox, rather than provide any evidence that today's MSNBC lefties are actually concerned with the economic consequences of an increasing non-working class, & reduced productivity. You have then implicitly tried to pass off your clever avoidance of the issue as sane reasoning.

Discussing this with you has been an exercise in employing your technique of demonizing (without evidence) the straw man (Fox) rather than exploring the issues. I've enjoyed this time we shared.

 

[Sunstone]

Discussing this with you has been an exercise in employing your technique of demonizing (without evidence) the straw man (Fox) rather than exploring the issues. I've enjoyed this time we shared.

I'm sorry, Rev, I didn't realize until now what an awful sin it is in your eyes to criticize the Blessed Church of FOX. And here, I thought I was merely criticizing FOX conservatives, not demonizing them.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm sorry, Rev, I didn't realize until now what an awful sin it is in your eyes to criticize the Blessed Church of FOX. And here, I thought I was merely criticizing FOX conservatives, not demonizing them.

I don't mind your criticizing Fox at all. (I personally find them intolerable....O'Reilly, Hannity....eww, like fingernails on a blackboard they sound!) But this obsessive criticism (usually unevidenced) of a single news outlet as the primary source of what is wrong with all of conservatism strikes me as pure demonization. I'm far more interested in your analysis (critical or supportive) of policies & issues.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't mind your criticizing them at all. (I personally find them intolerable.)

You don't mind my criticizing FOX conservatives? Or you don't mind my criticizing FOX? What do you mean by "them"?

But this obsessive criticism (usually unevidenced) of a single news outlet as the primary source of what is wrong with all of conservatism strikes me as pure demonization.

So, the real issue to you is that the Blessed Church of FOX is being "demonized" by being associated with so many of today's conservatives? If so, that's certainly some amazing loyalty you're showing to Roger Aile's political machine.

By the way, Rev, is your memory really so selective that you cannot recall any of the threads on this board that linked to evidence showing FOX viewers were less well informed than users of other media outlets? I know you participated in some of those threads, but I don't recall your having ever offered any evidence to contradict the studies that were linked to. "Usually unevidenced" is very clever spin.

I'm far more interested in your analysis (critical or supportive) of policies & issues.

The day you're honestly interested in my analysis will certainly be an interesting day, for if you were honestly interested in my analysis, I think you would have taken the opportunity to discuss the political implications of the disparity of wealth between rich and poor, rather than to have jumped on the "FOX is Our Sacred Mother" bandwagon.

 

[Revoltingest]

You don't mind my criticizing FOX conservatives? Or you don't mind my criticizing FOX? What do you mean by "them"?

"Them" = Fox News &/or conservatives (in this context)

So, the real issue to you is that the Blessed Church of FOX is being "demonized" by being associated with so many of today's conservatives? If so, that's certainly some amazing loyalty you're showing to Roger Aile's political machine.

There's nothing sacred about Fox to me or even the conservatives I know.
But I notice that you show amazing loyalty to your sacred MSNBC & Alternet.

By the way, Rev, is your memory really so selective that you cannot recall any of the threads on this board that linked to evidence showing FOX viewers were less well informed than users of other media outlets? I know you participated in some of those threads, but I don't recall your having ever offered any evidence to contradict the studies that were linked to. "Usually unevidenced" is very clever spin.

You haven't offered any evidence in this discussion. Your mention of the "less well informed" business from prior threads does not link any particular conservative beliefs or agendas you wish to argue against. It's more guilt by association. Evidence is a useful thing when part of a cogent argument. But to merely present studies which make some group look bad doesn't really tell us anything about the issues, does it?
Annoying analogy time:
I could post all sorts of 'facts' about black folk which make them look bad. Does this then defeat all goals of any efforts by groups of black folk to advance policies they want? No, of course not. But this is your technique.

The day you're honestly interested in my analysis will certainly be an interesting day, for if you were honestly interested in my analysis, I think you would have taken the opportunity to discuss the political implications of the disparity of wealth between rich and poor, rather than to have jumped on the "FOX is Our Sacred Mother" bandwagon.

I have many times agreed that wealth disparity is a problem, explored reasons which lead to it, & even proposed mitigating measures. But dry posts like those go unnoticed. People love drama...like identifying an enemy, & bashing them. You can artfully try to make this about my liking Fox News in order to avoid facing your distracting obsession with them, but I see it. (I wasn't born on that banana boat yesterday, bub.) The day you honestly face this artful obsession will certainly be an interesting day.

 

[tytlyf]

If you don't know what Fox/Rush/Beck/Drudge/Breitbart/etc do, I'd suggest starting to research. Everyone who likes these media outlets always says 'both sides do it.' Yet when asked for examples on say MSNBC, none are given. If I wanted to post every ridiculous story and embarrassment that these outlets do on a daily basis, people would get real bored quick.
I guess I'm not that bored to 'go there.'

I encourage people to use these links to sources if they dare. They are always fun to dismantle.

 

[Reverend Rick]

tytlyf, I think you are the FOX news watcher among us. I have not watched ANY TV for over a year now.

My issue with you and others is, you act like people are mindless drones who get their opinions from FOX news.

I was a Conservative long before there ever was any cable news shows.

FOX is entertainment not real news. They got you hooked, I bet you cannot quit watching them.

 

[Reverend Rick]

When I did watch FOX, it was because I enjoyed watching attractive women saying things I agreed with.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

When I did watch FOX, it was because I enjoyed watching attractive women saying things I agreed with.

I know, right? When did the news anchors get to be so hot?

I blame Katie Couric....she started it all with her short skirts she wore all the time. Now we have flowing hair and cleavage cleavage cleavage everywhere.