We're not assigned male or female at birth

[anotherneil]

I've been hearing reference to being assigned male or female at birth; it doesn't take place at birth, it takes place at conception. We're "assigned" male or female at conception.

What happens at birth is that we're assessed to be male or female.

 

[Viker]

Wrong. Embryos start as female. The embryonic stage is before the fetal stage and therefore closer to conception.

Some biology of sexuality - PubMed.

 

[Viker]

We're all girls in the beginning.

 

[Viker]

Wrong. Embryos start as female. The embryonic stage is before the fetal stage and therefore closer to conception.

Some biology of sexuality - PubMed.

We're all girls in the beginning.

With this in mind, something goes wrong.....

....and then males happen.

 

[anotherneil]

Wrong. Embryos start as female. The embryonic stage is before the fetal stage and therefore closer to conception.

Some biology of sexuality - PubMed.

We're all girls in the beginning.

I don't think this is biologically accurate. Sex is determined by the X or Y chromosome provided by sperm.

But either way this is besides the point - sex is not assigned at birth.

 

[Viker]

But either way this is besides the point - sex is not assigned at birth

Legally, and just legally, it is indeed assigned at birth.

 

[anotherneil]

With this in mind, something goes wrong.....

....and then males happen.

Oh, I think I get it, you're being political or religious (or maybe both); well, this thread isn't in a religious or political section of the forum.

 

[Viker]

Oh, I think I get it, you're being political or religious (or maybe both); well, this thread isn't in a religious or political section of the forum.

Assignment of sex is a scientific, legal and post-conception topic. It has social and political ramifications as well.

 

[anotherneil]

Legally, and just legally, it is indeed assigned at birth.

One of the situations I've seen this verbiage is in a TV commercial for some sort of drug, for treating some venereal disease. In this commercial, they state that a person "assigned female at birth" should not be taking this medication; they don't explain why, but I think it's safe to presume that it has a negative medical effect on females.

Would how a person is "legally" assigned their sex determine whether or not a drug would have a negative medical effect on them?

 

[Viker]

Oh, I think I get it, you're being political or religious (or maybe both); well, this thread isn't in a religious or political section of the forum.

And you already started with a wrongful premise.

"We're "assigned" male or female at conception." ( from you)

 

[McBell]

I've been hearing reference to being assigned male or female at birth; it doesn't take place at birth, it takes place at conception. We're "assigned" male or female at conception.

What happens at birth is that we're assessed to be male or female.

Geneticists make new discovery about how a baby's sex is determined

Medical researchers have made a new discovery about how a baby's sex is determined: it's not just about the X-Y chromosomes, but involves a 'regulator' that increases or decreases the activity of genes which decide if we become male or female.

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[anotherneil]

And you already started with a wrongful premise.

"We're "assigned" male or female at conception." ( from you)

If an X chromosome sperm fertilizes an egg, then a female is conceived.
If a Y chromosome sperm fertilizes an egg, then a male is conceived.
So we are indeed assigned male or female at conception.

Therefore, I am not wrong.

 

[anotherneil]

Geneticists make new discovery about how a baby's sex is determined

Medical researchers have made a new discovery about how a baby's sex is determined: it's not just about the X-Y chromosomes, but involves a 'regulator' that increases or decreases the activity of genes which decide if we become male or female.

www.sciencedaily.com

Does it claim that sex is assigned at birth?

 

[Viker]

Plain and simplified.

At conception, as zygotes, we are neither sex.
In the embryonic stage we are all female.
The distinct sexes do not emerge until the fetal stage.

 

[McBell]

Does it claim that sex is assigned at birth?

Medical researchers have made a new discovery about how a baby's sex is determined: it's not just about the X-Y chromosomes, but involves a 'regulator' that increases or decreases the activity of genes which decide if we become male or female.​

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[Viker]

Your problem seems to be with using "assignment". That's mostly a legal or arbitrary term.

 

[Eddi]

"Assigned" is something humans do to one another

It involves attaching human notions to natural thing

It does not occur naturally

 

[McBell]

Your problem seems to be with using "assignment". That's mostly a legal or arbitrary term.

Seems to me they are trying to make into a medical term a term that is not used nor was intended to be used as a medical term: "assigned at birth"

 

[Viker]

What happens at birth is that we're assessed to be male or female.

Now you've corrected it. Congratulations.

 

[Secret Chief]

With this in mind, something goes wrong.....

....and then males happen.

That explains so much.