West Antartica Ice Melt Now "Unstoppable": NASA

[metis]

:sorry1: Antarctica is a land mass. It is covered by ice, often kilometers thick, but underneath it is soil. In this map, the grey is where the ice sticks out into the ocean, while the white is where the ice covers the soil.

The NORTH pole (the Arctic) there is no landmass. That is why it is so much worse to have Antarctica and Greenland melt. Melting the acrtic is bad for multiple reasons, but like melting an ice cube in a cup of water, it doesn't make the total water level rise. . Melting Antarctica and Greenland means dumping all that landlocked water into the sea. ("blub blub" goes Florida and Denmark).

A good friend of mine works for 6 months in Antarctica during its warmer season, and he says that if anyone if anyone saw what he has seen over the last dozen years that he's worked down there, they wouldn't even have to think twice about whether global warming is taking place.

 

[BSM1]

A good friend of mine works for 6 months in Antarctica during its warmer season, and he says that if anyone if anyone saw what he has seen over the last dozen years that he's worked down there, they wouldn't even have to think twice about whether global warming is taking place.

So your friend is a research scientist?

 

[McBell]

New data show glacial retreat could add four feet to earlier predictions of a three-foot sea level rise by 2100.

Looks like rough times ahead for coastal cities and communities. Please discuss.

*blub blub blub*

you sank my neighborhood

 

[metis]

So your friend is a research scientist?

Actually he's a construction worker there. However, they do get together with many of the researchers over beer, beer, and more beer.

BTW, the glaciers at Glacier National Park are disappearing so rapidly, as my daughter and son-in-law have personally seen (they have a cabin in the foothills by Glacier), that they may be totally gone maybe as early as the end of this decade.

 

[BSM1]

Actually he's a construction worker there. However, they do get together with many of the researchers over beer, beer, and more beer.

BTW, the glaciers at Glacier National Park are disappearing so rapidly, as my daughter and son-in-law have personally seen (they have a cabin in the foothills by Glacier), that they may be totally gone maybe as early as the end of this decade.

Oh...ok...construction worker. That's nice.

 

[metis]

Oh...ok...construction worker. That's nice.

If you don't mind 6 months of seeing white and feeling a 50 below breeze flowing through your beard.

OH, btw, do you believe that construction workers are ignorant and don't actually see what they see? That attitude maybe ain't so "nice".

 

[BSM1]

If you don't mind 6 months of seeing white and feeling a 50 below breeze flowing through your beard.

OH, btw, do you believe that construction workers are ignorant and don't actually see what they see? That attitude maybe ain't so "nice".

He probably has as much credibility as most of the psuedo-scientific global warming types. Even more so if he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

He probably has as much credibility as most of the psuedo-scientific global warming types. Even more so if he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

And still you have nothing. Regardless of his friends trade, the overwhelming majority of climate research scientists around the world, all agree that global warming is happening: it is happening faster and faster than nature has ever done before: and it is humanity's input that is pushing/forcing the climate in this direction.
You may not be a construction worker, or slept in a Holiday Inn Express, but you got ....what? Senator Marc Rubio in your corner? Whao! Stand back and doff your hats everybody!

Wake up kid.
The vast majority of microbiologist recognize that tuberculosis is evolving immunity to the normal anti-biotics we have used. Are they wrong too?
The vast majority of architects think that having walls, floor, and roof is a good start at keeping the elements at bay. Are they witless twits that you are more knowledgable than?
The vast majority of doctors think you should cut out a bursting appendix before it ruptures. But you know better, right?

Stop trolling. You bother the grown ups.

 

[metis]

He probably has as much credibility as most of the psuedo-scientific global warming types. Even more so if he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

OK, so you think he's a fool, even though he associates with some of the climate scientists there, typically over beer, btw? Plus he has seen what he has seen as far as the level of snow there now versus what was when he first starting working there, so you apparently must believe he's a liar-- or that I am. Wow.

 

[metis]

And still you [BSM1] have nothing. Regardless of his friends trade, the overwhelming majority of climate research scientists around the world, all agree that global warming is happening: it is happening faster and faster than nature has ever done before: and it is humanity's input that is pushing/forcing the climate in this direction.
You may not be a construction worker, or slept in a Holiday Inn Express, but you got ....what? Senator Marc Rubio in your corner? Whao! Stand back and doff your hats everybody!

Wake up kid.
The vast majority of microbiologist recognize that tuberculosis is evolving immunity to the normal anti-biotics we have used. Are they wrong too?
The vast majority of architects think that having walls, floor, and roof is a good start at keeping the elements at bay. Are they witless twits that you are more knowledgable than?
The vast majority of doctors think you should cut out a bursting appendix before it ruptures. But you know better, right?

Stop trolling. You [BSM1] bother the grown ups.

And a fairly recent report has it that the speed of melting is quite a bit faster than predicted even 10 years ago.

 

[SkylarHunter]

I wonder if the people who deny climate change really think that by denying the obvious they will stop it from happening. Talk about wishful thinking!

 

[metis]

Here's a link to a listing of the various scientific groups that understand that we are in a period of global warming: Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[metis]

I wonder if the people who deny climate change really think that by denying the obvious they will stop it from happening. Talk about wishful thinking!

That's possible, but I really do think it's mostly because it got politicized. I've heard some people that I do believe are generally intelligent say the dumbest things in this area, but they mostly have a political leaning well to the right.

 

[BSM1]

So, here's 31000 (that's thousands) of scientist who say there is no convincing evidence that humans have anything to do with GW. Tag-you're it.

Exploring the Future — OSS Foundation


BTW, no one is arguing that the earth hasn't warmed. It can be shown that the earth's temperature rose a whole degree and a half in the last 150 years (and evidence that the earth has actually cooled over the last ten years). It's the cult following that has evolved around this obvious hoax that's disturbing.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

So, here's 31000 (that's thousands) of scientist who say there is no convincing evidence that humans have anything to do with GW. Tag-you're it.

Exploring the Future — OSS Foundation

BTW, no one is arguing that the earth hasn't warmed. It can be shown that the earth's temperature rose a whole degree and a half in the last 150 years (and evidence that the earth has actually cooled over the last ten years). It's the cult following that has evolved around this obvious hoax that's disturbing.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Oh man. wait...wait...let me stop laughing....
You obviously are only seeing what you want to see.... :yes:
Here is what your own link has to say about the "31,000 scientists" spiel...:biglaugh:
31,000 scientists say "no convincing evidence". — OSS Foundation
Here they basically rip the fake petition apart for the carp that its worth.

The same link page says the following.....
"Myths vs. Facts in Global Warming: This news and analysis section addresses substance of arguments such as "global warming is a hoax", "global warming is a fiction", "global warming is created to make money for Al Gore". The main fallacy noted is that most arguments are facts out of context while others are simply false representations. When the facts pertaining to the arguments are viewed in context relevance becomes obvious. The data clearly indicates global warming is happening and is human caused. At this time in the natural cycle Earth should be slightly cooling on trend, leading into what would have been the next ice age. Instead Earth is warming. There is no valid evidence that can prove otherwise. False representations or facts out of context are not a proof of any kind, they are merely incorrect."

That's funny. . Thanks for the irony.


What is disturbing is the denialism based on nothing. NOTHING but politics and WILLFUL ignorance.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

That's funny. . Thanks for the irony.


What is disturbing is the denialism based on nothing. NOTHING but politics and WILLFUL ignorance.

That is funny! :biglaugh::clap:clap:clap

Gotta love selective reading.

 

[dust1n]

Nope, w. Antarctica is underwater. Makes me sad. But maybe we can find cool stuff as that ice melts.

I meant the rest of it!

 

[dust1n]

So, here's 31000 (that's thousands) of scientist who say there is no convincing evidence that humans have anything to do with GW. Tag-you're it.

Exploring the Future — OSS Foundation


BTW, no one is arguing that the earth hasn't warmed. It can be shown that the earth's temperature rose a whole degree and a half in the last 150 years (and evidence that the earth has actually cooled over the last ten years). It's the cult following that has evolved around this obvious hoax that's disturbing.

I clicked the link and watched the video and it pretty much say humans, and especially fossel fuels were the main drive behind climate change.

Where exactly does it say otherwise? Did you even look at your own link?


Let me guess...

 

[metis]

:biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Oh man. wait...wait...let me stop laughing....
You obviously are only seeing what you want to see.... :yes:
Here is what your own link has to say about the "31,000 scientists" spiel...:biglaugh:
31,000 scientists say "no convincing evidence". — OSS Foundation
Here they basically rip the fake petition apart for the carp that its worth.

The same link page says the following.....
"Myths vs. Facts in Global Warming: This news and analysis section addresses substance of arguments such as "global warming is a hoax", "global warming is a fiction", "global warming is created to make money for Al Gore". The main fallacy noted is that most arguments are facts out of context while others are simply false representations. When the facts pertaining to the arguments are viewed in context relevance becomes obvious. The data clearly indicates global warming is happening and is human caused. At this time in the natural cycle Earth should be slightly cooling on trend, leading into what would have been the next ice age. Instead Earth is warming. There is no valid evidence that can prove otherwise. False representations or facts out of context are not a proof of any kind, they are merely incorrect."

That's funny. . Thanks for the irony.


What is disturbing is the denialism based on nothing. NOTHING but politics and WILLFUL ignorance.

Thank you for writing the above because it spares me the time and effort to refute his bogus argument. 97% of climate scientists say most of the g.w. is being caused mostly by human actions of one type or another, and the other 3% are mostly not denying this but are just more hesitant for one reason or another, which is their right.

 

[metis]

BTW, no one is arguing that the earth hasn't warmed. It can be shown that the earth's temperature rose a whole degree and a half in the last 150 years (and evidence that the earth has actually cooled over the last ten years).

Well, let's see:

But no matter how you slice the data, temperatures have indisputably fluctuated in the last decade, contrary to Matalin's suggestion that they have cooled. This graph from NASA shows that the temperature increased slightly between 2000 and 2001, dropped in 2002, and rose once again the following year. In this case, the annual mean temperature goes up and down, and the five-year mean is on a steady rise. This graph from NOAA shows a similar trend, with temperatures dipping slightly at the beginning of the decade and peaking once again in 2005.

We asked Richard Heim, a meteorologist at the NOAA National Climatic Data Center Climate Monitoring Branch, what to make of all these ups and downs.

At the most, it shows a plateau, he said. But certainly not a cooling trend.

"With climate change, not every year is going to be warmer," Heim said. "It's two steps up, two steps down — that's not a indication we're on a massive cooling trend."

NOAA climate monitoring chief Deke Arndt recently told the Associated Press the same thing:

"The last 10 years are the warmest 10-year period of the modern record," he said. "Even if you analyze the trend during that 10 years, the trend is actually positive, which means warming."

If 1998 is the starting point, a year many climate skeptics tend to cite, everything looks cooler in comparison, said Raymond Bradley, a climate scientist at the University of Massachusetts. He also pointed out that, when evaluating the impact of climate change on temperature, it's misleading to look at only the last 10 years.

A decade is such a small period of time that "it's like saying, 'It was cold here last week. What happened to climate change?'" Bradley said.

It's a point we heard repeatedly from the climate experts we interviewed. They all agreed that, while climate temperatures may dip from year to year, it's shortsighted to say changes within a decade mean that climate change is going away.

"If you just take a one-year comparison — say that it's cooler in 2008 than it was in 2007 — that's an improper use of statistics" to make judgments about climate change, said John Reilly, a professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "It still remains much warmer than it was in the 1960s. To the extent that there has been some slight cooling, we still remain half-a-degree above what it was then."

Indeed, climate records show that temperatures have been on the rise since the middle of the century, and that fluctuations between recent years are relatively small compared to overall increase. NASA estimates that global temperatures have risen a total of 2.3 degrees since 1895, and that 13 of the warmest years since 1850 have occurred in the last 14 years.

Jim Hurrell, a senior scientist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., says these natural temperature variations are expected.

"In the same way that El Nino made 1998 warm, in 2007 and 2008, La Nina made global temperatures a bit cooler than they have been running, but still much warmer than the long-term average," Hurrell said referring to El Nino's cooler counterpart.

Citing just the last 10 years "is a classic case of taking the data and letting it tell a very misleading story," he said.

Matalin said, "for the last decade the climate has been cooling." That suggests there has been a distinct reversal of the steady warming that scientists have documented for many years. But a review of the data shows that's not the case. The numbers show that in the past 10 years, global temperatures have not continued their sharp increase. But they have not cooled either. In fact, some years in the last decade have been hotter than the previous years. At most, they could be described as hitting a plateau. But they haven't cooled as Matalin said. We find her claim False. -- Matalin claims the Earth is cooling | PolitiFact