Westgate shopping mall shooting

[Flankerl]

Really no one?

Eyewitnesses saw armed men in black, their heads covered in scarves, entering the Westgate shopping centre on Saturday afternoon

At least 59 people were killed and 175 injured in Saturday's attack on a Nairobi shopping centre, a Kenyan government minister has said.

source: BBC News - Kenya standoff: At least 59 dead, minister says

Appareantly Al-Shabaab claimes responsibility. Eywitnesses said that non-muslims were specifically targeted by the gunmen.


Another link: Kenya mall attack
Beware of the gory images.

 

[Revoltingest]

It garnered about as much interest as this one....
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/world/asia/pakistan-church-bombing.html?_r=0

Regarding some places in the world, we just take violence for granted.

 

[BSM1]

What can you say? Obviously this should spark international outrage, but then you would be giving these animals that much more publicity. I sure that's one of their goals. If Mr. Obama is itchin' to fire a Cruise missle, then he needs to find the headquarters of this group and pull the trigger (even if that headquarters is in Iran).

 

[esmith]

It is reported that the terrorist group were definitely Islamic terrorist, since it is reported that they told Muslims to vacate a food court prior during their rampage.

From: Hostages being held as death toll rises to 59 in terror attack on Kenya shopping mall | Fox News

Somalia's Al Qaeda-linked rebel group, al-Shabab, claimed responsibility for the attack in which they used grenades and assault rifles and specifically targeted non-Muslims. The rebels said the attack was retribution for Kenyan forces' 2011 push into Somalia and threatened more attacks.

and from Kenya mall attack: About 30 hostages still inside, sources say - CNN.com

Al-Shabaab, al Qaeda's proxy in Somalia, claimed responsibility, and said it was not backing down. In a message on its Twitter feed, the group said "all Muslims" were escorted from the mall before the attack.
"When justice is denied, it must be enforced," it said in a tweet Sunday. "Kenyans were relatively safe in their cities before they invaded us & killed Muslims

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[LuisDantas]

It seems to me that the wider Muslim community is the one expected to talk about (and to) Al-Shabaab's action in Kenya and the Pakistanese terrorist act.

What can you say? Obviously this should spark international outrage, but then you would be giving these animals that much more publicity. I sure that's one of their goals.

So am I. Shouldn't however it also be one of our goals? Such situations will not be healed by giving them a cold shoulder.

If Mr. Obama is itchin' to fire a Cruise missle, then he needs to find the headquarters of this group and pull the trigger (even if that headquarters is in Iran).

And that would be a good thing? How so?

 

[esmith]

Not exactly sure if the Kenyan government requesting assistance from Israel to assist them vice any other country means anything other than the Kenyan government made a decision on who to accept assistance from. But it does seem strange that Kenya is requesting assistance from a country that the Islamic terrorist hate.

Kenya calls in Israeli Special Forces to help end jihad seige in mall - Atlas Shrugs

From the article this might be the reason:
KENYA AND ISRAEL HAVE DECADES OLD SECURITY RELATIONSHIP
Tom Gross adds:
Kenya and Israel have long enjoyed close relations, particularly in the security sphere. Kenya assisted Israel with refueling and in other ways during the daring Israeli raid in 1976 to free Israeli and Jewish hostages in Entebbe, Uganda (in which the current Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s brother was killed).
Last month, Kenya asked Mossad agents (together with American ones) to investigate whether the massive fire at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport in Nairobi was a terrorist attack.



any thoughts on the decision?

 

[LuisDantas]

In some senses it is logical. Who would be better qualified or motivated to fight Islamic terrorism?

 

[Caladan]

any thoughts on the decision?

It's simply a practical decision. Israel has extensive experience with counter terrorism. Even nations which give Israel a hard time in the stage of world media work closely with Israel on training and technology, or even when crisis breaks.
In addition Israel has battle tested plenty of military technology, for example many types of the most expensive American technology were put to the test in battle successfully by Israel sometimes decades before any American soldier had the chance to use it, therefore already giving them possibility to look into the Israeli method of operation. In addition Israel has its own very developed domestic industry of military technology which is successfully competing with some of the major economies in the world, and for a nation the size of Israel to compete with mega-economies is unprecedented.

I know Israeli counter terrorists very closely. They would be my first choice as well.

 

[Caladan]

Also about the Kenya crisis, the first piece I read earlier yesterday said that the terrorists basically evacuated the mall from Muslims by demanding the people present there to recite Muslim prayers or name family members of Muhammad correctly, separating the Muslims from the infidels.

 

[Falvlun]

Regarding some places in the world, we just take violence for granted.

It seems to be moving to our corner of the world too, with all these mass shootings going on. Won't be long till we're just as unmoved by our own tragedies.

 

[Caladan]

It seems to be moving to our corner of the world too, with all these mass shootings going on. Won't be long till we're just as unmoved by our own tragedies.

To be honest, I believe most people around the world already view it that way about the US. The disproportionate amount of killing sprees in the US seem grotesque from outside, and also seems as something that Americans have learned to expect.

 

[Assad91]

If Mr. Obama is itchin' to fire a Cruise missle, then he needs to find the headquarters of this group and pull the trigger (even if that headquarters is in Iran).

I'm sure Iran would've already done that if Al-Shabab was there.

 

[LuisDantas]

To be honest, I believe most people around the world already view it that way about the US. The disproportionate amount of killing sprees in the US seem grotesque from outside, and also seems as something that Americans have learned to expect.

I definitely agree.

 

[Falvlun]

To be honest, I believe most people around the world already view it that way about the US. The disproportionate amount of killing sprees in the US seem grotesque from outside, and also seems as something that Americans have learned to expect.

I could see that.

To be honest, I can't drum up much feeling about the most recent Naval Yard killings. Coming after Sandy Hook and the Marathon Bombing, it just doesn't seem to effect me. And yes, I find that disturbing.

 

[Assad91]

Also about the Kenya crisis, the first piece I read earlier yesterday said that the terrorists basically evacuated the mall from Muslims by demanding the people present there to recite Muslim prayers or name family members of Muhammad correctly, separating the Muslims from the infidels.

This piece of info has been on my mind ever since I read it.

I wonder if me and my family was there, would I have just proven my legitimacy as a muslim and just leave without trying to help the innocent to-be victims? If so, how can you be relieved knowing you didn't even try?

I hate having something being similar to these men. I hate how they call themselves muslim, just like I do.

They are shaytan.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is very difficult to speak ill of someone who is simply attempting to avoid being the target of violence.

 

[esmith]

Well the are unconfirmed reports that Smantha Lewthwaite AKA "The White Widow" is the mastermind of the Westgate terrorist attack.

Samantha Lewthwaite, White Widow, leading attacks in westgate nairobi

Accompanying article has some photographs of the scene

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...own-number-hostages-trapped-Nairobi-mall.html

 

[BSM1]

I'm sure Iran would've already done that if Al-Shabab was there.

Yeah....I'm sure, too.

 

[Assad91]

Yeah....I'm sure, too.

Doesn't seem so.

But hey if you want to think a wahhabi terrorist group would be financed by Iran, no matter how illogical that is, okay.

 

[Assad91]

It is very difficult to speak ill of someone who is simply attempting to avoid being the target of violence.

Just to be clear, the bad I was speaking of is directed at Al Shabab, not victims