What a beautiful saying

[Spirit of Light]

 

[Revoltingest]

The most beautiful saying in all of history....

Spoiler: Profanity

It is great because it describes reality
without interpretation or judgement.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The most beautiful saying in all of history....

Spoiler: Profanity

It is great because it describes reality
without interpretation or judgement.

That reminds me of Forest Gump for some reason. Anyway, @Conscious thoughts is there a way we can be purified inwardly in our soul while staying humble enough to realize our humanness as a part of that purity (lessons rather than hinderances) or is aiming for purity mean to separate ourselves from humanness to achieve divine perfection?

 

[Revoltingest]

That reminds me of Forest Gump for some reason. Anyway, @Conscious thoughts is there a way we can be purified inwardly in our soul while staying humble enough to realize our humanness as a part of that purity (lessons rather than hinderances) or is aiming for purity mean to separate ourselves from humanness to achieve divine perfection?

A sanitized version of the saying appears in the movie.

Spoiler: Mild profanity

 

[Spirit of Light]

That reminds me of Forest Gump for some reason. Anyway, @Conscious thoughts is there a way we can be purified inwardly in our soul while staying humble enough to realize our humanness as a part of that purity (lessons rather than hinderances) or is aiming for purity mean to separate ourselves from humanness to achieve divine perfection?

In my understanding one has to purify the soul/spirit and this will be noticed in our behaviour, kind words, loving action and righteous thoughts will become natural to those who purify from within. And it shows outward for those who experience this person.
They become egoless

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In my understanding one has to purify the soul/spirit and this will be noticed in our behaviour, kind words, loving action and righteous thoughts will become natural to those who purify from within. And it shows outward for those who experience this person.
They become egoless

Is this equal to divinity and perfection or can one obtain these characteristic while maintaining his or her humanness?

 

[AlexanderG]

Ideas like this persist because they are unfalsifiable. If I claim to see a sign of the hour, and you disagree or don't see it too, then I can just assert that you aren't "inwardly purified" enough. You can't gainsay me, because there is no way to demonstrate or measure such a trait. Ultimately, such a claim draws its credibility only from personal charisma or perceived authority of the speaker.

This is used in Christianity too, where anyone who disagrees with a specific Christian's denominational interpretation of scripture "hasn't truly felt the holy spirit," or if your life is going poorly then "you still haven't gotten right with god," etc. There is no way to know when enough is enough, so nothing ever seems enough, and it spirals into guilt and self-blame to keep people emotionally dependent on their faith.

Likewise, I could tell you that someone named Bob lived "that way," and no matter how far you went, I could just say you hadn't looked far enough yet, or that you can't prove there isn't an alien named Bob living on a planet in the direction I pointed. Have I really claimed anything substantive?

This is why unfalsifiable claims are considered useless in modern epistemologies, but continue to circulate within religious traditions. I appreciate the sentiment that we should better ourselves, but we can better ourselves without reasoning commonly used by modern conmen and charlatans.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Right on.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Is this equal to divinity and perfection or can one obtain these characteristic while maintaining his or her humanness?

It is possible to obtain them during lifetime as human yes.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Ideas like this persist because they are unfalsifiable. If I claim to see a sign of the hour, and you disagree or don't see it too, then I can just assert that you aren't "inwardly purified" enough. You can't gainsay me, because there is no way to demonstrate or measure such a trait. Ultimately, such a claim draws its credibility only from personal charisma or perceived authority of the speaker.

This is used in Christianity too, where anyone who disagrees with a specific Christian's denominational interpretation of scripture "hasn't truly felt the holy spirit," or if your life is going poorly then "you still haven't gotten right with god," etc. There is no way to know when enough is enough, so nothing ever seems enough, and it spirals into guilt and self-blame to keep people emotionally dependent on their faith.

Likewise, I could tell you that someone named Bob lived "that way," and no matter how far you went, I could just say you hadn't looked far enough yet, or that you can't prove there isn't an alien named Bob living on a planet in the direction I pointed. Have I really claimed anything substantive?

This is why unfalsifiable claims are considered useless in modern epistemologies, but continue to circulate within religious traditions. I appreciate the sentiment that we should better ourselves, but we can better ourselves without reasoning commonly used by modern conmen and charlatans.

I speak only for myself, so if the qoutes does not havecthe deep meaning for you, that is of course no problem

 

[AlexanderG]

I speak only for myself, so if the qoutes does not havecthe deep meaning for you, that is of course no problem

For sure. If such quotes help you to feel happier and live a good life helping others, then you have my blessing to go forth and do so! I just wanted to warn people that similar arguments are made by unscrupulous people trying to take advantage.